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To: RoughDobermann
I quote ... Of course not.... none of us do. We are simply discussing a 'what-if' scenario. What do you expect someone to do? Say 'Hi, arrest me!"?

to answer this ...

Unless you're sitting outside typing, no it is not. DBS signals won't even pass through glass.

WRONG AGAIN ... now please tell this 25 year ... advanced degreed electrical engineer ... who has worked with these signal for a multitude of years that I am wrong.

Lastly ... the eeprom that is on the smart card is publically and readily available from Motorola and MANY other smaller companies. Programming it is easy and is done for a million other reasons than DAVE (Digital Audio Video Entertainment). These guys were selling equipment that could be used to decode satellite signals. BUT they could be purchased for other reasons. I happen to work in the industry. what i object to is the passing of BAD LAWS just so some company can make a buck.

What if ABC decided to become "pay per view". Then sent out a letter to all addresses in an area stating that since they are now PPV "Pay Per View" that nho one could watch channel 7 without subscribing. Granted you have equipment that can pickup channel 7 BUT by law you can't turn your dial to channel 7 unless you subscribe. How many people do you think would watch channel 7 anyway. AND would they be thieves. Well decoding satellite signals is as easy for the technically astute as it is for the layman to flip to channel 7.

Lastly is it theft just because a company says so ... is my neighbor stealing my music because he's listening to my very loud stereo at his house. I don't think so ... nor do I believe decoding a signal that is in my house for my own non profit use is theft either.

150 posted on 02/12/2003 4:42:58 PM PST by clamper1797 (Please Do not Feed the Trolls)
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To: clamper1797
Lastly is it theft just because a company says so ...

You are being grossly unfair.

Disney/RIAA/MPAA paid gobs of money to buy legislation like DMCA, so, in effect, that law is Disney and freinds' property. You should not be discussing this law at all without their permission. They even own the legislators, so kindly shut the hell up about this law.

Your disrespect for the entertainment industry's property disturbs me, which is, I'm sure, probable cause under the DMCA.

Assume the position, peasant!

151 posted on 02/12/2003 4:54:03 PM PST by eno_
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To: clamper1797
the eeprom that is on the smart card is publically and readily available from Motorola and MANY other smaller companies.

The security built into the card is in an ASIC not an EEPROM. That is certainly not publically available.

155 posted on 02/12/2003 5:13:21 PM PST by Dinsdale
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To: clamper1797
I have been waiting for your return to this thread my Red Shirted friend,

You have come to what is to me, the crux of this matter.

Lets us suppose that it is 1965, and a broadcaster has teamed up with a manufacturer and has determined that by shifting to a lower part of the AM Band, they can sell their brand of radios that will be the only ones to pick up a certain station that is particularly inviting.

This modification is a simple one, but the partners determine that they can make a mint on it.

Hobbiests and others figure out a way to cheaply and easily convert a standard radio to be able to listen to the station also. Eventually, almost anyone with moderate soldering skills can do it.

Leaving behind the FCC regulations this would break, I have to ask the question...

Are all these people Criminals?

Nice to see you as always, I look forward to seeing you at the Doins.

Cheers,

knews hound

159 posted on 02/12/2003 5:19:50 PM PST by knews_hound (Anyone else play Day of Defeat?)
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To: clamper1797
Unless you're sitting outside typing, no it is not. DBS signals won't even pass through glass.

WRONG AGAIN ... now please tell this 25 year ... advanced degreed electrical engineer ... who has worked with these signal for a multitude of years that I am wrong.

May want to get a refund on that degree... Besides the fact that I've already proven that many of your previous "Wrong again" statements were inaccurate... Go ahead and try to watch DBS with the dish inside. You won't without an amplifier.

Lastly ... the eeprom that is on the smart card is publically and readily available from Motorola and MANY other smaller companies. Programming it is easy and is done for a million other reasons than DAVE (Digital Audio Video Entertainment). These guys were selling equipment that could be used to decode satellite signals. BUT they could be purchased for other reasons. I happen to work in the industry. what i object to is the passing of BAD LAWS just so some company can make a buck.

Just because it's easy to steal from old ladies doesn't make it okay. Don't like the law? Work to get it changed.

Lastly is it theft just because a company says so ... is my neighbor stealing my music because he's listening to my very loud stereo at his house. I don't think so ... nor do I believe decoding a signal that is in my house for my own non profit use is theft either.

Again, don't like the law? Get it changed. If you are a Dish or DirecTV customer and you are pirating additional channels other than those you are paying for, you are a thief. It doesn't really matter what you think. By activating your service, you agreed to the residential agreement, like it or not. Ignorance of your obligations is not a valid defense...

172 posted on 02/12/2003 7:00:28 PM PST by RoughDobermann
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