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To: Ditto
You failed that exam. I see no charges of tyranny. Nothing in Whigfalls words indicate any sort of tyranny.

That part was elsewhere in the speech:

"But if, in the mean time, you can bring the power of the Federal Government to coercion, and before the Treasury is drained of its last dollar, you can make soldiers out of your operatives and your sailors, you expect then, amid the heat of the contest, the confusion of ideas, as well as everything else, that you can conceal the facts, and denounce us for the calamities that are on this people; and you expect not to lead, but to send them to battle...Their own citizens have sworn faith and allegiance to the State, and obedience to the Constitution of the United States; but the oath is allegiance and fealty to the State of South Carolina. Now, you tell those men that, if they obey their oath, if they violate their allegiance, if they become not traitors to the country that has nourished and nursed them, then they are to be shot down like dogs or hanged like felons. This is the manner in which their remonstrances are met. This is the language of Senators who talk about ?our glorious Union,? and our being a race of freemen. This is the language used to free Americans! This is in a land of liberty! This is among a people who boast that they have the right of self-government! Well, you will have an opportunity of making the experiment."

He simply seems to not care for the results of an election.

No. He's outlining how the northerners controlled all of congress plus the presidency, allowing them to do whatever they wanted to the south. You and many others have denied this to have been so, yet it is a simple fact of history.

61 posted on 02/17/2003 1:05:14 PM PST by GOPcapitalist
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To: GOPcapitalist
He's outlining how the northerners controlled all of congress plus the presidency, allowing them to do whatever they wanted to the south. You and many others have denied this to have been so, yet it is a simple fact of history.

Just as the South had controlled the congress and the presidency, and the judiciary and the military and the foreign service for most of the nation's 80 years of existence before that. Exactly what is it that they thought the "North" was going to do to the South? The only campaign promise Lincoln made was to stop the expansion of slavery. That is not a violation of the Constitution. The founding fathers did the exact same thing! Is that expansion issue what Wigfall had his panties in a wad about?

BTW. Wigfall was a nut case and even his fellow Confederates couldn't stand the guy. Here's what a much more level headed Southerner said. It's a damn shame they didn't listen to him. Note especially to last paragraph on page 2 and the top of page 3 to put Wigfall's hystrical ran in perspective.



Source: http://www.hti.umich.edu/cgi/t/text/pageviewer-idx?c=moa;cc=moa;sid=947bad6ac3e07d05a145160c105db6da;idno=abt5971.0001.001;view=image;seq=0001;

But neither you nor Wigfall show any oppression or tyranny on the part of Lincoln or the Federal Government that would justify revolution. Taking a big fat hissy fit because you lose your Committee chairmanship is not "intolerable oppression". But then again, the slavers were Democrats and not much different than Little Tommy Dashole is today. Some things never change.

62 posted on 02/17/2003 2:23:38 PM PST by Ditto (You are free to form your own opinions, but not your own facts.)
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