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To: Non-Sequitur
I've read a lot of the Slave Narratives and I can't remember a single instance where the person being interviewed wished that they were still a slave.

I'm so sorry, I can't understand how you had missed it. Recalling her days in servitude she opines,

'"But, honey, de good ole days is now gone foreber. De ole days was railly the good times. How I wish I could go back to de days w'en we lived at Johnson's landing on de riber ..."'
"Aunt" Charity Anderson, Slave Narratives: A Folk History of Slavery in the United States from Interviews with Former Slaves, Alabama Narratives, Vol. I, p. 14.

It was the case in the entire south and only part of the North and you still dispute my claim that as bad as it was up North it was worse down south?

Unless you have problems comprehending the written language, I do dispute that claim.   Both sides were wrong by today's standards, just southerners weren't hypocrites.

The state legislature of Illinois issued a joint resolution recognizing the fact that it enumerated slaves in violation of the Northwest Ordinance, and practiced slavery masked as indentured servitude.   Numerous northern states  prohibited blacks from emmigrating into their states.  In the few states that did grant the right of suffrage to blacks, they had to pay a huge sum for the privledge;  many northern states had laws preventing intermarriage, prohibited blacks from attending school or being treated in hospitals, prohibited them from owing property, from being a juror, from being a witnees, from holding elected office, barred them from legal representation, from initiating suits etc.    In Ohio, an 1807 law forced blacks to pay a $500 per person for a "freedom" certificate or leave the state.  In Illinois, blacks had to pay $1000 to emmigrate into the state (1829).    Any runaway in the state could be sentenced by a justice of the peace to thirty-five lashes, and groups of three or more could be jailed and flogged.

You ever read the LeCompton Constitution?

Yep.

 I think that those were the parts that the Republican platform had problems with. [referring to the 'right of property', uncompensated forced emmancipation, and 'no power to prevent [black] emigrants' into the territories].

In other words, the Republicans had problems abiding by the Constitution,  a 7-2 decision of the US Supreme Court, the citizenship acts of the country since it's founding, and their ratification agreements to uphold the Constitution?   Who's the criminal here?

So are you suggesting that the Black Codes continued during Reconstruction? Or that Jim Crow laws were passed in spite of the ex-confederates who were in office for years following Reconstruction?

When did they end up North?   The Ohio laws  mandating separate schools for blacks (passed in 1853), and prohibiting interracial marriage (1861) were repealed in 1877.  Blacks in Ohio and Illinois were prohibited from voting until 1870 (including the Illinois Civil Rights Act of 1885) - what was their excuse?

140 posted on 02/12/2003 7:01:36 AM PST by 4CJ (Be nice to liberals, medicate them to the point of unconsciousness.)
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To: 4ConservativeJustices
Both sides were wrong by today's standards, just southerners weren't hypocrites.

Of course not. Take those black confederate soldiers that you claim there were so many of and those former slaves that you claim were so loyal and then ensure that they are stripped of any sufferage and every right that you can take away. That's not hypocrisy at at all.

In Ohio, an 1807 law forced blacks to pay a $500 per person for a "freedom" certificate or leave the state.

In Virginia, an 1806 law forced freed slaves to leave the state or be sold back into slavery.

In Illinois, blacks had to pay $1000 to emmigrate into the state (1829).

In Louisiana (1814) and South Carolina (1820) and North Carolina (1826) were forbidden to emigrate in to the state at all.

Any runaway in the state could be sentenced by a justice of the peace to thirty-five lashes, and groups of three or more could be jailed and flogged.

In every southern state it was illegal for slaves to assemble in groups of any size. It was this law that Thomas Jackson fell afoul of in teaching his Sunday school class, not the law against teaching slaves to read. Jackson wasn't teaching anyone to read.

In other words, the Republicans had problems abiding by the Constitution, a 7-2 decision of the US Supreme Court, the citizenship acts of the country since it's founding, and their ratification agreements to uphold the Constitution? Who's the criminal here?

Correct me if I'm wrong but the Republican platform in the recent election declared it's opposition to abortion, in violation of a 7-2 decision of the U.S. Supreme Court.

When did they end up North?

On the whole a lot earlier than they ended down south.

143 posted on 02/12/2003 8:16:42 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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