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1 posted on 02/10/2003 8:22:03 AM PST by H8DEMS
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2 posted on 02/10/2003 8:23:13 AM PST by mhking ("The home team Iraqis have won the toss and elected to receive...")
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3 posted on 02/10/2003 8:24:01 AM PST by sheltonmac
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To: H8DEMS
Quick, somebody send this to John (BJ Jr.) Edwards and tell him to quit offending black people by denegrating the flag they fought for.
4 posted on 02/10/2003 8:27:17 AM PST by Lee'sGhost (To BOLDLY go . . . (no whimpy libs allowed).)
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"Depending on its slant, of course, I've seen them say that these people were forced to work for the Confederacy," Bowling said.
"If you take a look at a lot of the United Confederate Veterans reunion photos, there are just boatloads of black people in the pictures...they weren't forced to come to the reunion."

The Wlat Brigade is really going to get its panties in a twist over this.

6 posted on 02/10/2003 8:28:35 AM PST by Constitution Day
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To: H8DEMS
As part of Black History Month, the public library system in Norfolk, Va., is honoring African-Americans who fought and died on behalf of the Confederacy during the Civil War.

"It's pure fantasy,' contends James McPherson, a Princeton historian and one of the nation's leading Civil War scholars.

Adds Edwin Bearss, historian emeritus at the National Park Service: 'It's b.s., wishful thinking.'

Robert Krick, author of 10 books on the Confederacy, has studied the records of 150,000 Southern soldiers and found fewer than a dozen were black. 'Of course, if I documented 12, someone would start adding zeros,' he says.

"These and other scholars say claims about black rebels derive from unreliable anecdotes, a blurring of soldiers and laborers, and the rapid spread on the Internet of what Mr. McPherson calls 'pseudohistory.' Thousands of blacks did accompany rebel troops -- as servants, cooks, teamsters and musicians. Most were slaves who served involuntarily; until the final days of the war, the Confederacy staunchly refused to enlist black soldiers.

"Some blacks carried guns for their masters and wore spare or cast-off uniforms, which may help explain eyewitness accounts of blacks units. But any blacks who actually fought did so unofficially, either out of personal loyalty or self-defense, many historians say.

"They also bristle at what they see as the disingenuous twist on political correctness fueling the black Confederate fad. 'It's a search for a multicultural Confederacy, a desperate desire to feel better about your ancestors,' says Leslie Rowland, a University of Maryland historian. 'If you suggest that some blacks supported the South, then you can deny that the Confederacy was about slavery and white supremacy.'

"David Blight, an Amherst College historian, likens the trend to bygone notions about happy plantation darkies.' Confederate groups invited devoted ex-slaves to reunions and even won Senate approval in 1923 for a "mammy" monument in Washington (it was never built). Black Confederates, Mr. Blight says, are a new and more palatable way to 'legitimize the Confederacy.'"

-- Wall Street Journal, May 8, 1997

AND:

"There seems to be no evidence that the Negro soldiers authorized by the Confederate Government (March 13, 1865) ever went into battle. This gives rise to the question as to whether or not any Negroes ever fought in the Confederate ranks. It is possible that some of the free Negro companies organized in Louisiana and Tennessee in the early part of the war took part in local engagements; but evidence seems to the contrary. (Authors note: If they did, their action was not authorized by the Confederate Government.) A company of "Creoles," some of whom had Negro blood, may have been accepted in the Confederate service at Mobile. Secretary Seddon conditioned his authorization of the acceptance of the company on the ability of those "Creoles" to be naturally and properly distinguished from Negroes. If persons with Negro Blood served in Confederate ranks as full-fledged soldiers, the per cent of Negro blood was sufficiently low for them to pass as whites."

(Authors note: Henry Clay Warmoth said that many Louisiana mulattoes were in Confederate service but they were "not registered as Negroes."

War Politics and Reconstruction, p. 56) p. 160-61, SOUTHERN NEGROES, Wiley

There is -no- credible evidence that even a small number of blacks served as soldiers in the rebel armies.

7 posted on 02/10/2003 8:35:13 AM PST by WhiskeyPapa (To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men)
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To: H8DEMS
Good News! - For Truth.
13 posted on 02/10/2003 8:48:18 AM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: H8DEMS
Latinos are breathing down the neck of Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and all of the various con artists spawned by the do gooders.
14 posted on 02/10/2003 8:48:44 AM PST by hgro
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To: H8DEMS
Bump for truth in history.
18 posted on 02/10/2003 8:58:22 AM PST by wasp69 (The time has come.......)
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To: H8DEMS
Thankfully, there are a few with balance in their approach to education. I must admit though, I still don't understand why having a black history month isn't racist. It certainly would be to have a white history month.
22 posted on 02/10/2003 9:48:17 AM PST by sweetliberty (Go Al, go!)
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"It strikes me as an extremely false portrayal of history," said Mark Potok, spokesman for the Southern Poverty Law Center. "It aids and abets a completely distorted and really racist view of what occurred during the Civil War."

Moron! It is people like this racebaiting jackass that keep blacks oppressed and racism alive.

23 posted on 02/10/2003 9:53:48 AM PST by sweetliberty (Go Al, go!)
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"Perhaps it would have been more appropriate to spotlight the many blacks who fled the South during the Civil War and fought with the Union."

Perhaps it would be more appropriate to highlight how free blacks were treated in the north and the fact that slaveholding states who fought for the union did not free their slaves immediately when the war was over. A real stranger to facts aren't you jerk directed at author of quote, of course. ...or is it just that you are selective with your facts?

24 posted on 02/10/2003 9:58:10 AM PST by sweetliberty (Go Al, go!)
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To: H8DEMS
Potok accused the "neo-Confederate movement" of promoting the "myth" that blacks willfully fought and died to preserve the Confederacy.

Anyone who pushes this black CSA soldier thing is not interested in a fair reading of the history.

Neo-Confederates have a consuming interest in distorting the real history.

There is no -credible- evidence of more than a handful of black CSA soldiers.

Had there been the number claimed by the SCV and the League of the South, they were certainly shamefully treated after the war.

"After Lincoln's assassination in April of 1865, President Andrew Johnson alienated Congress with his Reconstruction policy. He supported white supremacy in the South and favored pro-Union Southern political leaders who had aided the Confederacy once war had been declared.

Southerners, with Johnson's support, attempted to restore slavery in substance if not in name. In 1866, Congress and President Johnson battled for control of Reconstruction. The Congress won. Northern voters gave a smashing victory -- more than two-thirds of the seats in Congress -- to the Radical Republicans in the 1866 congressional election, enabling Congress to control Reconstruction and override any vetoes that Johnson might impose. Congress passed the Reconstruction Acts of 1867 that divided the Confederate states (except for Tennessee, which had been re-admitted to the Union) into five military districts. Each state was required to accept the Thirteenth and Fourteenth Amendments to the Constitution, which granted freedom and political rights of blacks.

Each Southern state had to incorporate these requirements into their constitutions, and blacks were empowered with the vote. Yet Congress failed to secure land for blacks, thus allowing whites to economically control blacks. The Freedmen's Bureau was authorized to administer the new laws and help blacks attain their economic, civil, educational, and political rights. The newly created state governments were generally Republican in character and were governed by political coalitions of blacks, Northerners who had migrated to the South (called "carpetbaggers" by Southern Democrats), and Southerners who allied with the blacks and carpetbaggers (referred to as "scalawags" by their opponents). This uneasy coalition of black and white Republicans passed significant civil rights legislation in many states. Courts were reorganized, judicial procedures improved, and public school systems established.

Segregation existed but it was flexible. But as blacks slowly progressed, white Southerners resented their achievements and their empowerment, even though they were in a political minority in every state but South Carolina.

Most whites rallied around the Democratic Party as the party of white supremacy. Between 1868 and 1871, terrorist organizations, especially the Ku Klux Klan, murdered blacks and whites who tried to exercise their right to vote or receive an education. The Klan, working with Democrats in several states, used fraud and violence to help whites regain control of their state governments. By the early 1870s, most Southern states had been "redeemed" -- as many white Southerners called it -- from Republican rule. By the time the last federal troops had been withdrawn in 1877, Reconstruction was all but over and the Democratic Party controlled the destiny of the South."

-- Richard Wormser

The fact that the whites in the south were able to reinstitute slavery in all but name is a big fly in the buttermilk over this "black confederate" crap.

It didn't happen.

Walt

27 posted on 02/10/2003 10:19:14 AM PST by WhiskeyPapa (To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men)
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To: H8DEMS
Bump
To read later
55 posted on 02/10/2003 12:41:38 PM PST by Fiddlstix
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To: H8DEMS
Factual bttt
147 posted on 02/12/2003 10:18:21 AM PST by lodwick
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