[LaBelleDameSansMerci]

This is pointless. Among Augustine's precepts for a just war is the idea that the war must be winnable.

I can see that my attempt to make you think about how it could be possible that some Europeans might view things differently than our Government--and might even dare to act upon their view--is hopeless.

We lost thousnads of people in an attack on the World Trade Towers and the Pentagon. The dicussions over memorials and financial reparations and "the process of grieving" and "the process of healing" and on and on has not made one chink in the intellectual armor of many here.

MILLIONS of soldiers and MILLIONS of civilians were killed in Europe in the Twentieth Century. Entire countries were smashed---all their infrasturcture was destroyed; all their buildings; their farmlands. Europeans starved to death by the tens of thousands.

To accuse the Europeans of "forgetting" bcause some of them refuse to go along with our attack upon Iraq is idiotic.

[MadIvan]

I can see that my attempt to make you think about how it could be possible that some Europeans might view things differently than our Government

We all acknowledge it is possible. But unlike you, we realise that it is wrong.

We lost thousnads of people in an attack on the World Trade Towers and the Pentagon. The dicussions over memorials and financial reparations and "the process of grieving" and "the process of healing" and on and on has not made one chink in the intellectual armor of many here.

You have a thing against grieving and life insurance?

To accuse the Europeans of "forgetting" bcause some of them refuse to go along with our attack upon Iraq is idiotic

What is idiotic is that the Europeans refuse to see how pre-emptive action could have prevented the devastation you describe. And you are an idiot for refusing to see it yourself.

Ivan

[LaBelleDameSansMerci]

..."Society suffocates liberty merely by existing, and it must exist, and all its members are equally its slaves. The individual may elude the feeling, though not the fact, of subjection to society either by a willing conformity or by a mental reservation." ...----Santayana

I'm just an Injun on the mental reservation.....

[RoughDobermann]

Entire countries were smashed---all their infrasturcture was destroyed; all their buildings; their farmlands.

And were promptly rebuilt thanks to the US' Marshall Plan.

[The Irishman]

We did not enter WWII to free the French. We did not enter WWI to free the French.

That much is clear.

They owe us nothing. Any gain that France received from us entering either war was coincidental to the reasons for which we did enter the war, national interests.

France now pursues its national interest. Just as they benefited from us in WWII, we may coincidentally benefit from their reluctance to sign on to a premature military adventure. France now seems to be about all that stands in the way of that war. Vive le France!

Good to see you back on this board.

Regards.

[Leisler]

"To accuse the Europeans of "forgetting" bcause some of them refuse to go along with our attack upon Iraq is idiotic."

Fine, they don't forget, they just don't learn. That would explain European history. Either though, are a workible explaniton, so your point is mute.