Early Water on Earth

Geotimes ^ | February 2003 | Salma Monani

[ALS]

The evoloonists talk as though their theory is a fact, but have to back off and rewrite it almost daily, all the while shunning embarassment by the ol' "science is dynamic" ploy.

So is politics, which is why we have spineless libs to contend with.

"I did not have miosis with that amoeba!"

[MissAmericanPie]

I don't believe I have heard of the hydrogen theory. I do know that Peter says man is willfully ignorant of the fact that we do not live in the same world as pre-Noah. Same earth yes, same world, or conditions no.

I can't remember the chapter and verse but it goes something like, "for this they are willingly ignorant, that the world that was then, standing in the water and out of the water, perished, and the world that is now is reserved for fire and the judgement of ungodly men.

It is a verse that causes me to puzzle the possibilities of it's meaning ecologically.

[John Valentine]

Meanwhile the creationists carry on with their theory that creation is revealed truth.

I'll take the process of exploration, experimentation, revision and refinement over blind adherence to a book any day of the week.

[MissAmericanPie]

I am not against science learning, digging, and discovering. I think they hold themselves back when they ignore the earliest book in history.

[ALS]

Blind adherence to a flailing crumbling theory is exactly your problem.

repent

[RadioAstronomer]

Ping! Though you would find this interesting.

[Doctor Stochastic]

...the earliest book in history...

What does "The Epic of Gilgamesh" have to do with science? True, Enkidu is an amusing psychological study.

[coloradan]

The finding of these zircons tends to support at least the contention that the Earth was cooler sooner than previously thought. The Earth's core is certainly still very hot, consider volcanoes, geysers, and hot springs, nevermind the seismic evidence that much of the core is liquid (because it fails to propagate shear waves) despite the fact it has a density near iron.

Your assessment of me prompts me to ask a question, for both non-creationists and creationists: What evidence would be sufficient to cast in doubt your theory of how the Earth was formed? These zircons are like evidence at the scene of a crime: they have a particular isotopic ratio, which implies the temperature when they formed had to be such-and-such. Col. Mustard was in the library with the lead pipe, as it were. If that conflicts with the then current theory, it's gone, and a new one is sought to replace it. What evidence would be sufficient to cause a creationist to abandon creationism?

[RadioAstronomer]

According to Genesis, from the time of Adam to the time of Noah, it had never rained on the earth. Plants were watered from a mist that rose from the ground. Most likely it would be wise for Scientists to start from that assumption.

Not one shred of geological evidence for this.

[aruanan]

Valley and his colleagues agree. “The cool early Earth hypothesis is controversial, and we are working very hard to test it,” Valley says.

A cool early Earth would be consistent with the vast amounts of abiogenic methane that are constantly percolating up from the upper mantle.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thanks for the heads up!

[MissAmericanPie]

Time will tell won't it. Sort of like the topic of this article, the "cool earth" hypothesis, it will be proven or discarded. Or do you not agree that science is still in the discovery stage? Are the answers all in, did I miss something?

[fabian]

That's true, I remember doubting God and the Bible after
being taught evolution in jr. high as though it was a fact. There is no reasonable reason why creationism shouldn't be taught as a viable theory especially with so much evidence to support it.

[jeremiah]

three world ages, the one that was then, the one now, and the one to come......perfectly understandable to me

[azhenfud]

Second Peter Ch. 3 V. 5

I'll get back to you with the hydrogen theory....
Regards,
Az

[MissAmericanPie]

Well sure, three earth ages, but three ages that imply great climate changes. The first no rain but pleanty of moisture, the second dry kindling, and the third, so perfect that one doesn't sunburn, or in fact need the sun at all.

[azhenfud]

Now, for the hydrogen association, look at this quote:

"Interstellar space is filled with extremely tenuous clouds of gas which are mostly Hydrogen. The neutral Hydrogen atom (HI in astronomer's shorthand) consists of 1 proton and 1 electron. The proton and electron spin like tops but can have only two orientations; spin axes parallel or anti-parallel. It is a rare event for Hydrogen atoms in the interstellar medium to switch from the parallel to the anti-parallel configuration, but when they do they emit radio waves with a wavelength of 21 centimeters (about 8 inches) and a corresponding frequency of exactly 1420 MHz. Tuned to this frequency radio telescopes have mapped the neutral Hydrogen in the sky."

Let's consider this verse:

Gen.1 [6] And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

Here one may gather that "waters" refers to both the primitive (hydrogen and oxygen) and the final liquid (firmament) states of water. The hydrogen ion layer is indicated as being present within the reference to "waters" from the beginning.

Finally consider these things from scripture:

Job.38
[4] Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
[5] Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
[6] Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
[7] When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Verse 5 may be telling of that plane of our Milky Way and verse 7 of the 1420 MHz radio wave frequency. If this lighter-than-air hydrogen ion layer was surrounding the earth's atmosphere in ancient days, the properties of the spin axis of hydrogen could have produced a "singing" when varying wavelengths of radiation from space bounced off, while aiding the change of the proton and electron axis orientation. This layer could also have been in sufficient quantity to have formed the water vapor necessary to trigger the "Great Flood" and had been the filter necessary to keep out higher, more harmful, life-shortening radiation for prior generations. Also notice the statement of man's days being shortened to "an hundred and twenty years" (Gen. 6 [3] ) after the flood and reference to the statement of "the windows of heaven were opened" (Gen. 7 [11] ). This could have been due to the depletion of the hydrogen layer which produced the deluge and allowed the higher concentrations of radiation to reach earth's surface. If this hydrogen layer had become ignited, it would have burned from the top down, yet not necessarily causing significant heat damage to earth, but producing trillions of cubic meters of water vapor being released into the atmosphere and fallind to the earth - hence the "Great Flood".

So in today's eco-system, rain develops because the sun's radiation reachs the earth's surface in sufficient amounts to vaporize water since it isn't filtered by the former hydrogen ion layer. This holds true considering the density of hydrogen ions in space and the ease of radiation's conductivity in comparison to the atmospheric conditions where hydrogen ions are more densely located. Is it any wonder hydrogen is the most plentiful, but basic element of the universe - and water the most plentiful of all hydrogen compounds on Earth?

[PatrickHenry]

What does "The Epic of Gilgamesh" have to do with science?

The Iliad isn't quite as old as the OT, but the researchers ought to take it into consideration too. I mean, after all ...

[Doctor Stochastic]

The "Song of the Harper" is quite old too. Circa 2650BC.

[PatrickHenry]

There are pyramid texts even older. More data!