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Actually, I don't want to get into a flame war. I just wanted to point out that just because some jobs pay in benefits as opposed to extremely high wages, these people are not part of a socialized system. By the way, we have been married for 15 years, and the first year of our marriage, combined income we made just over $11,000.00.This was in 1987, not exactly the dark ages. You see my husband was a Private in the Army, and we lived in a town that was extremly hesitant to higher military wives (they tend to move) so I worked a couple of part-time minimum wage jobs.

Don't play who works harder. Have you ever lived for two weeks on Ramon Noodles (only 15cents a package on sale) because you couldn't risk even bouncing a check to pay for groceries. If my husband bounced a check he not only got in trouble at the bank, he had to face his seargent the next day.

So you see sir we all have our stories. All I am trying to say is that sometimes things like health insurance are part of a wage package and not a free ride.

"Don't play who works harder."

Ok, I won't.

"Have you ever lived for two weeks on Ramon Noodles (only 15cents a package on sale) because you couldn't risk even bouncing a check to pay for groceries. If my husband bounced a check he not only got in trouble at the bank, he had to face his seargent the next day."

OK, I will. Make up your mind.

Don't assume you're the only ex-military folks here. I know all about the bounced checks thing.

Don't know what your husband did, but I was freezing my butt off on telephone poles in Kunsan, about the time we were both eating ramon noodles.

Ever been underground in mosquito infested land. no AC, for $5 an hour? Ever ride your bike through the snow in Michigan winter in a McDonalds uniform? Ever live in your car?

Thanks to working for non-union companies, and planning for my OWN retirement, I put in my hard knocks, put myself through school, and now make artificial hearts for a living.