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Iraqi bio-scientist breaks silence
BBC ^ | February 9, 2003 | Jane Corbin

Posted on 02/09/2003 2:43:37 PM PST by Indy Pendance

Dr Rihab Taha

Dr Rihab Taha spoke exclusively to the BBC's Panorama

Iraq's leading biologist, dubbed "Dr Germ", has refused to meet UN weapons inspectors but did agree to talk to Panorama Reporter Jane Corbin.

In the forbidding building of the National Monitoring Directorate security men were waiting to escort me along a dim corridor.

A portrait of Saddam Hussein stood in one corner.

It was the first time the woman dubbed "Dr Germ" and even "toxic Taha" had ever agreed to be interviewed.

Dr Rihab Taha was head of Iraq's biological weapons programme for seven years, until 1995.

And she is top of the list of scientists the UN team want to interview.

I asked her if she was ashamed of her past work.

"No, not at all," came Taha's answer. "Iraq has been threatened by different enemies, and we are in an area which suffers from regional conflict. It is our right to defend ourselves."

Liver cancer

While she acknowledged research and development into biological agents, she insisted the regime never weaponised the bacteria it developed.

"We never intended to use it," she continued. "We never wanted to cause harm or damage to anybody."

But the facts are undeniable. Dr Taha's team grew 19,000 litres of botulinum toxin, a food poison that swells the tongue and suffocates its victim.

Two thousand litres of aflatoxin were produced, which causes liver cancer. And they also prepared gas gangrene, which causes skin to melt away.

UN weapons inspectors discovered munitions filled with these agents dumped in a river, proving they had indeed been weaponised.

Hiding weapons

Dr Taha studied plant toxins at the University of East Anglia, between 1980 and 1984.

She had been sent by the regime, like others, to gain the expertise which Saddam intended to harness for military purposes.

By 1991 she was responsible for three of the country's major bio facilities and was responsible for transportation, concealment and deployment of munitions.

She married General Amer Rashid who became the man in charge of liaising with UN inspectors after the Gulf War. He was later appointed Iraq's oil minister.

For years Dr Taha insisted her work at the al-Hakem laboratory was veterinary science for civilian purposes.

"She would become extremely emotional and cry to put us off the scent," one former inspector remembered.

Deadly poisons

When a son-in-law of Saddam Hussein defected in 1995, the UN learned the truth about what was going on at al-Hakem.

But they have been unable to account for 8,500 litres of anthrax and large quantities of growth medium to culture germs.

And there has been no definitive answer to the question of whether Iraq has developed viruses such as smallpox and haemorrhagic fever.

The inspectors want to talk to Dr Taha about small-scale biological production she is believed to have pioneered after the destruction of al-Hakem.

Intelligence sources believe small stocks of agents are held in laboratories hidden in lorries and trains.

An Iraqi defector recently told Panorama that he fitted out special "clean rooms" for biological weapons manufacture, describing filtration systems and confirming "everything is mobile now".

In the event of war, the labs could produce large stocks of agents to fill munitions.

These could be used against Western forces or even the Iraqi people if an uprising threatens the regime.

Missing anthrax

Dr Taha said she works as a consultant to the National Monitoring Directorate, carrying out administrative work and writing up old research projects.

She denied doing any work on pathogens now.

She did help the ministry compile the biological section of the Iraqi weapons declaration, intended to rebut US and British charges that Iraq is hiding forbidden weapons programmes.

Dr Taha rejects Hans Blix's assertions that there are gaps in the document, notably a failure to account for missing anthrax.

"We have been very transparent... It's just psychological propaganda to throw doubt on Iraq."

She was vague on why the UN and Iraqi accounts do not agree, saying that the inspectors calculation of the amount of anthrax they produced is unrealistic.

Threats

"Would you speak to the Inspectors privately?" I asked Dr Taha. "No I do not trust them. It is better to have witnesses," she replied.

I watched the Iraqi officials present at the meeting writing down her words. It was impossible to tell from her neutral tone what her true feelings were.

US Secretary of State Colin Powell spoke of intelligence which indicated Iraqi scientists had been warned of serious consequences if they revealed any sensitive information.

And according to Mr Powell, a false death certificate was issued for one scientist while he was sent into hiding. Other experts have been placed under house arrest.

Deputy Prime Minister Tariq Aziz shrugged off these accusations, insisting: "They are free people."

Rumour and fear

I knew Dr Taha had no choice but to repeat the denials. And I knew she had worked on terrible scenarios of mass murder in her laboratories.

But I felt a twinge of apprehension for her, whatever she had done.

There were rumours her estranged husband was in trouble for daring to argue with Saddam Hussein that Iraq should come clean with the UN.

A few days ago, I received a call. A Kurdish newspaper was reporting that Dr Taha had been murdered. The report alleged it was to stop her confessing what she knew to inspectors.

An Iraqi official denied this, calling the report "shameless propaganda".

In the murky pool of rumour, propaganda and fear that swirls around Baghdad, there is no way of knowing where Rihab Taha is now and what secrets she still protects.


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To: amom
fyi
21 posted on 02/09/2003 4:19:54 PM PST by honway
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To: Indy Pendance
Previous article :

SECRETS OF 'DR. GERM'

22 posted on 02/09/2003 4:29:52 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Nuke Saddam ( Bush is thinking about it ) and then what about Germany and France?)
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To: Indy Pendance
A Kurdish newspaper was reporting that Dr Taha had been murdered. The report alleged it was to stop her confessing what she knew to inspectors.

The Kurds should understand Saddam better than that. If she was murdered, it was to send a message to lesser scientists, to this effect: Guys, I'm willing even to kill her, so don't doubt for a second that I'd kill you even quicker at the first whiff of disloyalty. In other words, the Baathists kill people like this not because of anything she did or will did, but simply pour l'encourager les autres (to encourage the others). Just like Stalin.

23 posted on 02/09/2003 4:30:58 PM PST by Steve Eisenberg
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Thanks for the link.
24 posted on 02/09/2003 4:33:05 PM PST by Indy Pendance (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Indy Pendance
Dr Germ deserves everything she gets; shes Mengele in a skirt. I have heard they have tested these weapons on dissidents, spies, and people who have crossed Sadamm. It is inconceivable to me that people out there still want to "talk". Sadamm and his whole entire horde of murderous thugs need to be removed, by any means neccessary, no more inspectors or resolutions, no more waiting for France, lets get it over with.
25 posted on 02/09/2003 4:36:48 PM PST by cardinal4 (The Clintons; second only to the Rosenbergs on hating America)
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To: Indy Pendance
A few days ago, I received a call. A Kurdish newspaper was reporting that Dr Taha had been murdered. The report alleged it was to stop her confessing what she knew to inspectors.

I believe that Diane Sawyer (Good Morning America) announced this morning (on Georgie's show) that she had an interview with this woman earlier today - and it will air on tomorrow's GMA.

Sawyer was quite giddy that she had snagged an interview with this woman who has been tops on the UN Inspector's list. I guess the fact that the good Doctor would do whatever she could to eliminate Americans (and the rest of the Western world) from the face of the earth doesn't count for anything...

Ya gotta LOVE the press. Jeez. /sarcasm

Stay safe.

J.Q.

26 posted on 02/09/2003 4:41:01 PM PST by jqpublic
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To: cardinal4; Indy Pendance
Right, that is the way the President feels:

IRAQ: Decide if you're relevant, Bush tells U.N.

27 posted on 02/09/2003 4:42:05 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Nuke Saddam ( Bush is thinking about it ) and then what about Germany and France?)
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To: Indy Pendance
I thought that all those demure Islamic women of peace wore veils in public.
28 posted on 02/09/2003 4:49:29 PM PST by Cvengr
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To: honway; Alamo-Girl
Thanks very much for the heads up.

AG heads up to you.
29 posted on 02/09/2003 5:03:04 PM PST by amom (****STS-107***)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Im wondering if the UN is starting to sense their irrelevance. Years and years of appeasement of dictators, liberal social programs that only served to line the pockets of those in charge, putting Syria as head of the Security Council, weapons inspection programs that provide more humor and frustration than knowledge, allowing France on the Sec Council, just years and years of foolishness. W's patience is indeed wearing thin with the UN, but I think it goes beyond their ineptitude. Hell, W had to go up to UN HQ and shame them into yet another resolution! The UN sucks and as soon as we cut ties, the better.
30 posted on 02/09/2003 5:04:55 PM PST by cardinal4 (Get the UN out of the US and get the US out of the UN!!)
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To: honway; Alamo-Girl
Interesting times...

Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997

‘Dr. Germ’ heads Saddam’s biological warfare program'
By Robert Windrem NBC NEWS

IT’S ONLY CHICKEN FEED

"...And not only did she lie to the UNSCOM inspectors, but she mounted a public relations campaign to keep the U.N. from destroying al Hakam. Before Hussein Kamel defected, she first permitted NBC News to check out the facility, making sure they saw it was only making chicken feed to
help end hunger. Then, later, she took other Western journalists on a tour.

“Our country now needs fat chickens and lots of eggs, so we are trying to do just that,” she claimed. “This project is for purely civilian use.” Hardly. And after Kamel defected, she could no longer carry on the ruse, especially when after Kamel decided to return home, he was murdered by
Saddam for the crime of revealing her successes. Taha’s husband was given his job..."

The article is quite long but might well be worth a read.

http://www.payk.net/mailingLists/iran-news/html/1997/msg01845.html

31 posted on 02/09/2003 5:23:08 PM PST by amom (****STS-107***)
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To: spunkets
One of their own rivers too. LOL! Are all the greens going to say something about this? Where's greenpeace?

"Waaaah, but they were justified! They had to do this to fight the evil oppressor from the western hemisphere!"

32 posted on 02/09/2003 6:05:06 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (more dangerous than an OrangeNeck)
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To: Indy Pendance
And ... Sadaam pretended to forgive the son-in-law and then enticed him to return to Iraq. As soon as he did - he was killed. I don't know what happened to the daughter and her children.
33 posted on 02/09/2003 6:58:35 PM PST by CyberAnt ( Yo! Syracuse)
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To: Indy Pendance
When she is captured, and after she talks, she should be shot.She is evil.
34 posted on 02/09/2003 7:14:18 PM PST by habs4ever
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To: amom
Thank you so much for the heads up! Hugs!
35 posted on 02/09/2003 8:16:44 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: SpaceBar
This might be a good thread to start of list of amusing monikers for the women.

Whatever her name might be, there is some cruise missile or JDAM out there with her name on it.

36 posted on 02/09/2003 8:17:45 PM PST by Polybius
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To: The Great Satan; Travis McGee; muawiyah
Iraq Bioweapons Ping.
37 posted on 02/09/2003 8:22:16 PM PST by ConservativeLawyer (God Bless our Troops and keep them safe.)
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To: Indy Pendance
Is this a BBC article from today?...is it recent?
38 posted on 02/09/2003 8:50:10 PM PST by Types_with_Fist
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To: Types_with_Fist
I just found it today, it was on the right side, in the section with the little pictures...
39 posted on 02/09/2003 8:51:36 PM PST by Indy Pendance (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Indy Pendance
thanks!
40 posted on 02/09/2003 8:53:20 PM PST by Types_with_Fist
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