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To: sneakypete
sneakypete said: "No,but it clearly guarantees the individual the RIGHT to own the weapons the common infantry soldier would be expected to have or use."

People at the time of the Revolution owned ships armed with cannon. For sea-going warfare, that was the ultimate weapon available. There were no restrictions. The idea that the Second Amendment includes a limitation on the type of arms which may be owned is a new idea invented by those who are not willing to amend the Constitution to outlaw nuclear weapons.

241 posted on 02/10/2003 9:36:27 AM PST by William Tell
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To: William Tell
Agreed.
242 posted on 02/10/2003 9:54:29 AM PST by RKV
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To: William Tell
People at the time of the Revolution owned ships armed with cannon. For sea-going warfare, that was the ultimate weapon available.

So what? People who own sea-going ships can still own cannons. I know a guy who has a tank. John Travolta owns a Korean War fighter.

There were no restrictions.

Yes,there were. To own and sail a "war vessel" required a "letter of Marquis". Maybe this is "picking nits" because it's a hollow arguement on both our parts. Nobody who wasn't going into piracy bothered to arm their vessels with cannons because they were both expensive and dangerous,and the ones who did get involved in piracy were treated rather harshly. The fact that any citizen without a criminal record who has the financial resources CAN own a tank or aircraft with functional large caliber weapons is also irrelevant. Damn few people want to own them,and there is no possible way to buy one illegally in this country.

BTW,PLEASE note that there are no restrictions today on buying or possessing a black powder cannon. You can even buy blueprints or kits to build your own.

The idea that the Second Amendment includes a limitation on the type of arms which may be owned is a new idea invented by those who are not willing to amend the Constitution to outlaw nuclear weapons.

HorseHillary! It is clear to anyone who has done much reading of the Federalist and the anti-Federalist papers that this was discussed in a genaral sense,and it was commonly accepted by the people who wrote the US Constitution and insisted on the Bill of Rights that INDIVIDUALS had a CLEAR right to own INDIVIDUAL weapons so they could be called on in time of need to form a active militia,and that the towns and states were assumed to be the ones to own and control the "crew-served weapons" of the day. The obvious reasons for this is nobody is going to carry a howitzer or other field piece around slung over their shoulder,and towns,counties,and states were/are better equipped to stand the financial burden of buying,storing,and caring for these weapons,as well as offering a central storage location for the militia to rally to in order to field these weapons. Cannons kept in a barn on private property that nobody knows about aren't of much use in fighting a enemy with.

All this is extra,though. The CLEAR intent of the 2nd Amendment is to insure the individual citizen have access to the same individual weapons as the individual federal or other army soldier.

270 posted on 02/11/2003 4:26:04 AM PST by sneakypete
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To: William Tell
The idea that the Second Amendment includes a limitation on the type of arms which may be owned is a new idea invented by those who are not willing to amend the Constitution to outlaw nuclear weapons.

BTW,the ONLY people I have EVER heard use the nuclear weapons line are rabid anti-gunners who think this is a clever way to "prove" citizens/civilians don't have a Constitutional right to own military-style weapons.

271 posted on 02/11/2003 4:42:57 AM PST by sneakypete
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To: William Tell
The idea that the Second Amendment includes a limitation on the type of arms which may be owned is a new idea invented by those who are not willing to amend the Constitution to outlaw nuclear weapons.

BTW,the ONLY people I have EVER heard use the nuclear weapons line are rabid anti-gunners who think this is a clever way to "prove" citizens/civilians don't have a Constitutional right to own military-style weapons. The whole "Letter of Marquis" history shuts this arguement down cold,but they do their best to ignore it. Theorhetically,the government COULD issue a LOM to some individuals to allow them to own/possess nuke weapons,and the fact that they will never issues these letters does nothing to change the fact that they have to power to do this if they want to. There is nothing in law that would prevent them from doing it.

272 posted on 02/11/2003 4:47:12 AM PST by sneakypete
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