[truth_seeker]

There is no historic basis for the present borders of Iraq.

To the victors should go the spoils, say for instance an independent Kurd nation, and split the rest between Jordan, Kuwait, and maybe even Iran.

Then leave and let them sort out the mess.

(Under the stipulation of no oil industry benefits for France, Germany or Russia IF they oppose toppling Saddam's brutal terrorist dictatorship.)

[Cathryn Mataga]

There's zero chance of a Kurdish state, since likely we've promised the Turks no Kurdish state for their help. I don't see it.

I don't see the point of invading and then leaving, just to have another Saddam show up. If we invade, our only option is some kind of long term occupation, imo.

And, also, all borders are just accidents of history. Iraq isn't that much different than the rest of the world. I think we don't want to encourage shuffling around borders too much because this will mean wars all over the planet between countries wanting to expand territory.

Maybe Iran will have some influence in southern Iraq. I think Jordan will be lucky if it just survives all the trouble coming up. They're the 'Cambodia' in this situation, imo.