Rumsfeld irate over secret plan on Iraq

UPI ^ | February 8, 2003 | Pamela Hess

[PISANO]

IF Hill ever becomes the POTUS, it will be then that I GIVE UP on OUR country's future. All will be lost and unless there is another REVOLUTION I will most likely give up my military retirement and move to Sicily. My God the thought of her being the C-in-C sends shivers up my spine and a dagger thru my heart.

[IncPen]

My grandfather and my father served this country to defeat Germany and liberate France not once, but twice.

My own son will not do the same for them.

The French and German people do not deserve the land they live on

[gaspar]

Rumsfeld is fighting, literally fighting, to save not only the soul of the United Nations, but of NATO, the EC, and the Democrat Party. He might save the first three, but the fourth is too far gone.

[Fabozz]

"Sen. Joseph Lieberman, D-Conn., took a more conciliatory tone, saying he understood part of the reason for the rift: the Bush administration's balking at the Kyoto global climate change treaty, the international criminal court and the abrogation of the 1972 Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty with Russia."

Hmm, let's see... opting out of two unsigned treaties, and invoking the agreed-upon termination clause of a third treaty, is equivalent to willfully and contemptuously violating a ratified mutual-defense pact. Yup, moral relativism circuits operating at 100% efficiency—bring on the primaries!

[NonValueAdded]

"...including Germany and France -- who are blocking a NATO proposal to direct the Strategic Allied Commander Europe to prepare a Patriot missile battery, a surveillance plane and chemical and biological detectors to protect Turkey from a possible attack from Iraq."

Thats all we're asking? And NATO has a problem with that??? Well, the scum of the earth said it best, that's it for you.(WKRP flashback for you young'uns).

Someone had a post earlier in another thread about Warsaw Pact II. I think it's time.

[The Wizard]

expect a veto or a war Monday

[VA40]

German Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer made a passionate, defensive response to Rumsfeld's charges.
"We are doing better than the others are!" he said, referring to the German troop contribution to Afghanistan, which now numbers 3,000, he said

Did he stomp up and down too? What a childish remark! How can Rumsfeld stand it, dealing with these idiots. 3000 troops - he thinks that's some big deal? Don't they realize this "containment" is costing us billions every day. We have tens of thousands of our troops, reserves and their families with all their lives on hold (and our economy along with them).

[jbstrick]

Has anyone read CAULDRON by Larry Bond?

This book is about the French and Germans forming an allince to counter the US in eorupe.

It is begining to sound very familiar.

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Short Description
With the world's old alliances and economic order shattered by a ruinous trade war, France and Germany seize the chance to build a new European order. Poland and the Czech Republic stand in their way, and when America and Britain join them, northern Europe explodes into war.

[Mr.Clark]

I'm pissed off about the French and German inaction on Iraq, but this refusal to allow a NATO ally decent protection is absolutely inexcusable. I think the 16 right thinking NATO allies should take action, at least censure these 3 holdouts.

[Mr.Clark]

I was just thinking of that book! It seemed so wild when I first read it 5 years ago, but now....

[Dan(9698)]

>>>...expect a veto or a war Monday

Even Clinton said that another resolution is not needed.

If they try to pass a resolution forbidding war we will just veto that.

[maxwellp]

After the November 5, 2002 elections I still have faith in the American people. What horrifies me, if Hillary Clinton was elected POTUS, is that Bill Clinton would be back in the White House. I just can't see the American people voting for her - at least intelligent, patriotic Americans.

[Robert_Paulson2]

a resounding NO.... to your idea. NO. Nato has great purpose for us.
I think it would be wiser to force the expulsion of FIRST FRANCE and THEN Germany from NATO... while simultaneously admitting the NEW EUROPEANS en masse. Germany and France want nothing to do with the NEW Europeans in NATO, as every entrant dilutes their influence and power... EXPEL THEM..... NOW.

We will be at war with Communist-Fascist Germany and France before this is all over anyways, so we might as well cut their balls off before they can procreate more trouble than they already have.

It is time to DESTABILIZE FRANCE... perhaps by supporting THEIR radicals, or by letting them know we won't be interfering with their takeover of the land of whine and cheese. That is until they are officially a sharia law state... that should make things a whole lot clearer...

Evil France and Jew Hating Germany, MUST be dealt with. Their evil treachery and subterfuge MUST be rectified.

There are good people in France and Germany... and they would be well advised to get the hell out of dodge... starting with our own boys in Germany... who need to redeploy along Germany's borders with New Europe...

[magua]

16 to 3 not so bad. sell your eros,i feel this could be ugly. no nato, they have to pay for their own defence.all those social programs,two month vacations,bye,bye.

[Aaron0617]

aahhhhhhhh...I'm okay now.

The United States proposed NATO send Patriot missiles, an AWACS plane and chemical and biological weapons detection equipment to Turkey three weeks ago. The proposal has been stalled because of Germany and France's objections, the senior defense official said.

The above two sentences had me screaming at my computer for a full minute. But I'm alright. I think I'll get some water now.

[jbstrick]

Do you remember, in the book, the Polish Air Force was kicking some butt.

I may have to give it another read.

[Mr.Clark]

Yeah, I think I'm going to find it in my attic, its been tucked away for a long time. I acutally thought it wasn't as good as some other Bond stuff. If you want a great representation of a possible Korean conflict, you should read Bond's first book, Red Phoenix. He also helped Clancy write Red Storm Rising.

[livius]

There are good people in France and Germany... and they would be well advised to get the hell out of dodge... starting with our own boys in Germany

I read someplace here that we actually are planning on moving most of our bases to Poland. The Germans have the gall to be annoyed about this, because we pay them big bucks for using the land, but that's just too bad.

Agree with everything else you say - except don't forget, France just about ties with Germany for Jew-hating.

[radioman]

I love it!
Germany and France goose stepping together with their silly blue helmets...lol!

This is the perfect opportunity to cut ourselves loose from these idiots. We should close our bases in Germany and base our troops in one of our allies countries.

Germany and France will be allied with Iraq in the Atlantic and North Korea in the Pacific. Looks like WWIII to me!

I would suggest that we not repeat our past mistakes. No Marshall plan for 'em this time, just leave 'em in the stone age after we're done!

[Right_in_Virginia]

"I fear during the last two years our administration has not listened to Europe," said Lieberman..."

I fear Mr. Lieberman needs an Atlas. Europe is more than France and Germany.