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To: Richard Poe
...I agree with your assessment of Raimondo's talents. But I would suggest that his gifts are being put to ill use. Just what "Tent" are you referring to, anyway?....

President Reagan's 'tent', Richard. And the analogy's never been more relevant. I mean, what is this deathwish amongst us, that we must always turn upon our own? The Gipper was especially aware of (and guarded against) it. I can look at Raimondo's writings and know (after grinding my teeth at some of the unnecessary hyperbole and theatricality) that he's one of us, for want of a better word. There has been way too much of this statist RINO groupthink in both the US and on FR, lately. If some holds a different view on one or two of innumerable issues, then why focus on it, endlessly? Why drive them out, when they have so much energy and insight to offer? We have seen it too much around here and the turnover's got too high to ignore. In the case of Raimondo, I would say to you and his other detractors, address the issues. Someone of your calibre and intellect should be doing that. Can the crap about 'Red agents', 'Justine', etc, that just demeans whoever writes it. Regards, By.

45 posted on 02/08/2003 1:43:45 PM PST by Byron_the_Aussie (Kellog's : hands off OUR chocolate crackles!)
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
<< In the case of Raimondo, I would say to you and his other detractors, address the issues. >>

Address the issues, you say?

Under the circumstances, I cannot imagine any issue more pressing than whether or not Iraq had a hand in the 1995 Oklahoma bombing and the 1993 and 2001 attacks on the World Trade Center. When I raised these issues with Raimondo, he dismissed me as a "kook."

Raimondo's utter lack of curiosity on these vital questions leaves me with no choice but to wonder whose side he is really on.

How about you? Do you care who masterminded the last ten years of terror attacks against our country? Or do you find that an irrelevant detail, compared with the overriding goal of keeping Raimondo in the... er, what did you call it? The Tent?

46 posted on 02/08/2003 2:49:33 PM PST by Richard Poe
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
he's one of us

He's editorial director for a site that ran articles supporting Communist China, calling Tibet racist for trying to slow the rape of their country, and praising Mao and Fidel.

Sorry, if he's one of us, I've been at the wrong site for several years.<

89 posted on 02/08/2003 9:10:20 PM PST by D-fendr
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
One or two issues?????

Where does Justine stand on:

Abortion? (Reagan wrote an entire book affirming the right to life of innocent infants while president.)

Homosexuality? (OK, Reagan spent a lot of time in Hollyweird and did not want to give offense but he also drew a sharp line between gays not being persecuted and gays being favored by special rights.)

The need for the conservative movement to ever be undergirded by Judaeo-Christian morality? (Was this not a major Reagan priority?)

The desireability of the United States maintaining military power and hardware second to none and far ahead of whatever comes second? (Was this not a major Reagan priority?)

Reducing the tax burdens on anyone without gutting American military strength? (always a Reagan priority.)

Such fraudulent terms as "statist RINO groupthink?" (Reagan, as an actual conservative would reject such "paleo-conservatism" or, more accurately, fraudulent disguised liberalism in conservative drag, knowing, as Reagan did, real conservatism when he saw it: "Bold colors, no pale pastels.")

Purging the GOP as necessary of baby-killing bookkeeper Republicans of the 1930s variety who brought us to the point of 8 allegedly GOP senators out of 96 at the height of their in-party power? (Reagan's embrace was bigh enough to include defecting anti-communist, pro-military, pro-gun, anti-tax Democratic working class boters and Southern Democrats and he had to fight the hereditary green-eye-shade Republicans every inch of the way.)

Reagan's opening of the GOP to freedom-loving blacks, Hispanics, Asians and other minorities insofar as they accepted basic GOP principles of conservatism?

The fact that the isolationist "America First" Committee turned 180 degrees on the occasion of Pearl Harbor, disbanded, and was NOT revived after World War II since isolationism had acquired a permanently bad odor by then?

The fact that Amercans are not willing to join in any attempt to Europeanize the conservative movement or the GOP into the sort of sorry excuse for "conservatism" that, in places like France, puts the welfare state above all else and just wants to be left alone. (Leaving them alone is a very good idea in the event of their next crisis. France and Germany are certainly proving unworthy of one more drop of American blood as Robert Taft the Elder warned after WWII in advocating that we turn our attentions to the Third World in the search for allies.)

BYRON: These leftists in conservative drag like Justine do have loads of energy but NO worthwhile insights. They are not "us." To you, they may be "us" in which case you are not "us." Reagan would have driven these pretentious jerks from his tent in three seconds flat and fumigated the tent thereafter.

Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Otto Rauch, Ariel Sharon, Nguyen Cao Ky, Alexander Solzhenitsyn, Pope John Paul II (even disagreeing on the current war but not for the warmed over McGovernism of Justine), Berlusconi, Zbigniew Brzynski, Irving Kristol, Gertrude Himmelfarb, William Kristol, Midge Decter (oh, to see Justine debating Midge Decter, no holds barred), the flyer and hero quoted at length in the article on your home page, and even Tony Blair (may my Irish grandmother forgive me!) are "us."

Apropos, another one of your posts, Senator Joseph R. McCarthy was "us" as Justine will never be. What McCarthy lacked in tact, he made up for in wisdom. A little review of the soviet archives and the Black Book of (c)ommunism is in order, Byron.

George McGovern, Scott Ritter, Justin Raimondo, Mikhail Gorbachev, Ralph Nader, Ramsay Clark, A.N.S.W.E.R.: International or otherwise, the Women's International League for Peace, James Abourezk, Nicholas Rahall, James McDermott, Hanoi Jane Fonda, Sean (I am soooo wasted) Penn, Susan Saranwrap, the feminazis in pink who are at "ground zero" in Baghdad as a "human shield" (how lucky can we be!), and the usual gang of similar suspects are most emphatically NOT "us."

Am I calling anyone names? How can I help it?

Just because Reagan was a nice guy, doesn't mean that his tolerance was infinite. Take your own advice and address the issues raised above. I am one of Justine's detractors and proud of it. He's done such a wonderful job for (on) Pat Buchanan. How can anyone resist being a robot for Raimondo? Think what he can do for (to) our movement or our country as a whole!

92 posted on 02/09/2003 8:54:45 AM PST by BlackElk (Don't you dare take the name of Ronaldus Maximus in vain or revise his historic achievements!)
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
One or two issues?????

Where does Justine stand on:

Abortion? (Reagan wrote an entire book affirming the right to life of innocent infants while president.)

Homosexuality? (OK, Reagan spent a lot of time in Hollyweird and did not want to give offense but he also drew a sharp line between gays not being persecuted and gays being favored by special rights.)

The need for the conservative movement to ever be undergirded by Judaeo-Christian morality? (Was this not a major Reagan priority?)

The desireability of the United States maintaining military power and hardware second to none and far ahead of whatever comes second? (Was this not a major Reagan priority?)

Reducing the tax burdens on anyone without gutting American military strength? (always a Reagan priority.)

Such fraudulent terms as "statist RINO groupthink?" (Reagan, as an actual conservative would reject such "paleo-conservatism" or, more accurately, fraudulent disguised liberalism in conservative drag, knowing, as Reagan did, real conservatism when he saw it: "Bold colors, no pale pastels.")

Purging the GOP as necessary of baby-killing bookkeeper Republicans of the 1930s variety who brought us to the point of 8 allegedly GOP senators out of 96 at the height of their in-party power? (Reagan's embrace was bigh enough to include defecting anti-communist, pro-military, pro-gun, anti-tax Democratic working class boters and Southern Democrats and he had to fight the hereditary green-eye-shade Republicans every inch of the way.)

Reagan's opening of the GOP to freedom-loving blacks, Hispanics, Asians and other minorities insofar as they accepted basic GOP principles of conservatism?

The fact that the isolationist "America First" Committee turned 180 degrees on the occasion of Pearl Harbor, disbanded, and was NOT revived after World War II since isolationism had acquired a permanently bad odor by then?

The fact that Amercans are not willing to join in any attempt to Europeanize the conservative movement or the GOP into the sort of sorry excuse for "conservatism" that, in places like France, puts the welfare state above all else and just wants to be left alone. (Leaving them alone is a very good idea in the event of their next crisis. France and Germany are certainly proving unworthy of one more drop of American blood as Robert Taft the Elder warned after WWII in advocating that we turn our attentions to the Third World in the search for allies.)

BYRON: These leftists in conservative drag like Justine do have loads of energy but NO worthwhile insights. They are not "us." To you, they may be "us" in which case you are not "us." Reagan would have driven these pretentious jerks from his tent in three seconds flat and fumigated the tent thereafter.

Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Otto Rauch, Ariel Sharon, Nguyen Cao Ky, Alexander Solzhenitsyn, Pope John Paul II (even disagreeing on the current war but not for the warmed over McGovernism of Justine), Berlusconi, Zbigniew Brzynski, Irving Kristol, Gertrude Himmelfarb, William Kristol, Midge Decter (oh, to see Justine debating Midge Decter, no holds barred), the flyer and hero quoted at length in the article on your home page, and even Tony Blair (may my Irish grandmother forgive me!) are "us."

Apropos, another one of your posts, Senator Joseph R. McCarthy was "us" as Justine will never be. What McCarthy lacked in tact, he made up for in wisdom. A little review of the soviet archives and the Black Book of (c)ommunism is in order, Byron.

George McGovern, Scott Ritter, Justin Raimondo, Mikhail Gorbachev, Ralph Nader, Ramsay Clark, A.N.S.W.E.R.: International or otherwise, the Women's International League for Peace, James Abourezk, Nicholas Rahall, James McDermott, Hanoi Jane Fonda, Sean (I am soooo wasted) Penn, Susan Saranwrap, the feminazis in pink who are at "ground zero" in Baghdad as a "human shield" (how lucky can we be!), and the usual gang of similar suspects are most emphatically NOT "us."

Am I calling anyone names? How can I help it?

Just because Reagan was a nice guy, doesn't mean that his tolerance was infinite. Take your own advice and address the issues raised above. I am one of Justine's detractors and proud of it. He's done such a wonderful job for (on) Pat Buchanan. How can anyone resist being a robot for Raimondo? Think what he can do for (to) our movement or our country as a whole!

93 posted on 02/09/2003 8:58:03 AM PST by BlackElk (Don't you dare take the name of Ronaldus Maximus in vain or revise his historic achievements!)
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