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French are unmoved by US 'frog bashing'
The Times ^ | February 8, 2003 | Tim Reid and Charles Bremner

Posted on 02/07/2003 3:28:16 PM PST by MadIvan

“THE game is over,” President Bush told Iraq on Thursday.

“It’s not a game, and it’s not over,” Jean-Pierre Raffarin, the French Prime Minister, shot back yesterday. Thus the war of words between dovish France and hawkish America grew more rancorous.

There are three men in the world who would be wise for reasons of personal safety not to show their faces in America: Osama bin Laden, Saddam Hussein and M Raffarin’s boss, President Chirac.

Middle America, egged on by hostile television networks and editorial writers, has been whipped into a rage against what is perceived as betrayal by the vain and preening French or, as they are now being characterised, “cheese-eating surrender monkeys”.

France was rescued by America in both World Wars, US commentators note as French obstructionist tactics at the United Nations thwart the campaign to get Saddam.

They mutter darkly about Germany’s anti-Americanism, but the vitriol has been almost exclusively directed at the French: the leader of the Franco-German “axis of weasel”.

“Let’s beat up the French,” the conservative co-host of CNN’s Crossfire programme declared on Thursday night. The audience cheered.

Later a viewer’s e-mail was flashed up on screen: “I understand that the French UN Ambassador was told to stop waving his hand in the air because it was inappropriate to surrender at the UN meeting.”

Bill Sammon, the White House correspondent for the Washington Times, said: “The Administration has come to the realisation that writing off France is not a bad thing politically . . . I think it plays pretty well.”

The British journalist Christopher Hitchens summed up US feelings in The Wall Street Journal: “Chirac. . .is a positive monster of conceit. . .a man so habituated to corruption that he would happily pay for the pleasure of selling himself.”

France is shrugging off what the left-wing daily Libération labelled “le frog-bashing” as a manifestation of the primitive prejudices now prevailing in a country with which it has a long tradition of rivalry.

Gallic commentators have taken a more detached view, seeing America’s anger as proof that Paris must be doing something right with its moral stand in favour of “peace”, while the US air waves and news pages have filled with anti-French vitriol in recent weeks.

“It’s a little tiresome,” one French diplomat said. “The Americans always throw tantrums like this when they don’t get their way.”

The condescension in this statement proves everything that the Americans are saying to be absolutely true - Ivan

But what did hit home was the dismissal by Donald Rumsfeld, the Defence Secretary, of France and Germany as “old Europe”.

The conservative Le Figaro, which has become even more anti-US than Libération, noted yesterday that France had replaced Iraq as the obsession of the “pen-wielding war-mongers” of the White House.

“The toughening of Washington’s position has confirmed the expected return to page one of an odious little character with a black beret, a cigarette in his mouth and baguette under his arm: France has not finished paying for the affront which it has inflicted on the muscular diplomacy of Uncle Sam,” it said.

The more outrageous American gibes are a source of French amusement.

M Chirac’s aides chuckled after Rush Limbaugh, a radio host, said that no one should trust a country with a Foreign Minister named Dominique de Villepin. With his aristocratic airs, the elegant M de Villepin is viewed even in France as a little hard to take.

The media have made much of the US tabloids’ dismissal of France with the “cheese-eating surrender monkeys” insult. Le Figaro nicely translated the line, which comes from The Simpsons television cartoon, as: primates capitulards et toujours en quête de fromages.

The media have also been struggling to decode a now famous New York Post headline denouncing France and Germany as “The Axis of Weasel”. Le Figaro translated this as l’axe des faux jetons — literally “the axis of the two-faced”.

There was also some admiration yesterday for the wordsmiths of the White House who are making good use of the English that is understood even by the French in President Bush’s statements. His “the game’s over” on Thursday night needed no French translation in a country long devoted to English-language café video games.

Over Iraq, the French are distinguishing between “good Americans” and “bad” ones. The latter are written off as right-wing fans of “le cowboy Bush”, such as George Will, a columnist who wrote this week that France was now performing “a manoeuvre which it has been perfecting since 1870: retreat”.

Good Americans are anti-war Democrats, Hollywood stars and the think-tank experts who give sympathetic replies in impeccable French to the anti-American rants of listeners on French radio shows.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Germany; News/Current Events; Political Humor/Cartoons; US: District of Columbia; United Kingdom
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To: MadIvan
It’s not a game, and it’s not over,” Jean-Pierre Raffarin, the French Prime Minister, shot back yesterday.

They must plan on putting protective forces around Baghdad, I suppose.

81 posted on 02/07/2003 4:00:59 PM PST by He Rides A White Horse (I)
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To: Mark Felton
Oh, I thought someone had done a Black Dahlia on Hillary.
82 posted on 02/07/2003 4:01:57 PM PST by Paul Atreides
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To: Mamzelle
How can a blind man be a look out?


83 posted on 02/07/2003 4:02:26 PM PST by SwinneySwitch (Pass the Ban!)
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To: firebrand; StarFan; Dutchy; stanz; RaceBannon; Doctor Raoul; Neets; evilC; Black Agnes; Cacique; ...
Le ping!

Please FReepmail me if you want on or off my infrequent ping list.

84 posted on 02/07/2003 4:02:27 PM PST by nutmeg
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To: MadIvan
The Times' reporters Reid and Bremner's essay is akin to "accidentally" stuffing a Frog face-down into a flushing loo (sorry old chap) -- Just priceless.
85 posted on 02/07/2003 4:03:00 PM PST by F16Fighter (The Republic is already at war -- WITH THE COUNTERFEIT-AMERICAN DEMOCRATS)
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To: MadIvan

86 posted on 02/07/2003 4:03:23 PM PST by Psycho_Bunny
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To: section9
The froggy frunks have miscalculated regarding their own ability to slow up their buddy's, Sodom, prosecution and therein try to hide their own hideous affairs in the Middle East (which, when the world finds out about their involvement with Iraq, Syria and the Israelis, will leave the frunks out in the cold for a long, long time - miscalculations similar to the type that American RAT communists continue to make.
87 posted on 02/07/2003 4:04:26 PM PST by ApesForEvolution (This space for rent (Not accepting bids from the United Nations))
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To: MadIvan
France acts exactly like a spoiled, pouting child.

After living since the 40's on our largese, including (but not limited to) our military and our money, they want more "milk."

Bush deserves a Brass Balls Award for standing up to France's (sniff) Elite. They are a house of cards built upon a foundation of bluster.

Not exactly "Daggers," [I predict] Bush will shun France---with powerful and positive results.

88 posted on 02/07/2003 4:05:09 PM PST by Rudder (Advertising space available)
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To: MadIvan
It is sort of amusing to see what they're reacting to - it isn't what an unlettered American such as myself would imagine. "Old Europe" is hardly a pejorative, and this sort of stuff is chat-room juvenile, IMHO. Great heavens, what would they think if they came across the serious stuff?

The American people, taking one with another, constitute the most timorous, sniveling, poltroonish, ignominious mob of serfs and goose-steppers ever gathered under one flag since the end of the Middle Ages.

That was Mencken, about us. And that was mild. The Frogs need to get a grip on reality here.

89 posted on 02/07/2003 4:05:15 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: F16Fighter
The Republic is already at war -- WITH THE COUNTERFEIT-AMERICAN DEMOCRATS - the enemy is at home also!
90 posted on 02/07/2003 4:05:22 PM PST by Free_at_last_-2001
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To: Paul Atreides
French Army to Market "Ultimate Surrender" Video Game
7/13/2002 - William Grim

Paris - Inspired by the commercial success of the United States Army’s "Boot Camp" video game, the General Staff of the French Army has announced plans to market "Ultimate Surrender," a video game based upon the proud military traditions of the Gauls.

In the game we follow the exploits of Lucky Pierre, an apprentice garlic salesman from Marseilles, as he joins the French Army and begins a rigorous course of combat training. The First Level of the game is called "Survival School," and the players have to help Lucky Pierre survive 24 hours without red wine or crème brulé. The Second Level is "Capitulation," and the goal here is to see which player can have Lucky Pierre surrender the fastest without firing a shot or getting his uniform dirty. Level Three is "Collaboration." Here the players battle to see who can collect the largest numbers of pairs of nylon stockings and packages of chocolates by having Lucky Pierre perform sexual favors for members of the occupying forces. Level Four is "Be Ungrateful to America for Rescuing Your Sorry French Ass Once Again." In this extremely challenging part of the game contestants vie with one another to see who can make Lucky Pierre behave in the surliest manner when the United States inevitably comes to the rescue of the defeated French. The Final Level is "Pretending to Have Been in the Resistance." Here contestants compete in a battle of tall tales and whoppers as they try to protect Lucky Pierre from treason charges.

Marketing tests show that "Ultimate Surrender" is a big hit with French teenagers and young adults who are too young to have experienced France’s lightening surrender to the Germans in 1940 or its defeat by the Vietnamese in 1954 at Dien Bien Phu. "Zees is a great tool to inspire ze patriotism in ze youths, n’est ce pas?" said General Jean-Jacques Loseur, Commander-in-Chief of the French Army, during his weekly press conference. "Since ze end of ze Cold War we French have not had many opportunities to surrender or to show great cowardice in the face of much weaker opponents."

When questioned about comments made in the French Chamber of Deputies that "Ultimate Surrender" makes the French Army look like a bunch of gutless mama’s boys, General Loseur pulled out a white handkerchief, put his hands over his head and said, "Oh heck, I give up."


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91 posted on 02/07/2003 4:05:29 PM PST by Mark Felton
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To: MadIvan
Les primates capitulards et toujours en quête de fromages
92 posted on 02/07/2003 4:05:51 PM PST by Petronski (I'm not always cranky.)
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To: Free_at_last_-2001
You need to do that search again, I came up with quite a few.
93 posted on 02/07/2003 4:06:26 PM PST by Stavka2 (Setting the record.)
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To: MadIvan
Bump to post 47
94 posted on 02/07/2003 4:06:45 PM PST by yournamehere
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To: Mark Felton
GROSS!!
95 posted on 02/07/2003 4:07:06 PM PST by areafiftyone (The U.N. is now officially irrelevant! The building is for Sale!!!)
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To: Mark Felton
LOL!!
96 posted on 02/07/2003 4:07:40 PM PST by Paul Atreides
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To: Mark Felton

Groundskeeper Willie is a wise man.

We need a concentrated anti french campaign in this country. I believe it is something most americans can rally together on in near solidarity. Why in the hell do they get a seat on the security council anyways? I would rather have Japan, who is more important in the grand scheme of things, than the non bathers with hairy armpits.

97 posted on 02/07/2003 4:09:39 PM PST by dogbyte12
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To: FourPeas
They'ill get to Iraq once they finish replacing and rewinding the rubber band which powers their aircraft carrier.....
98 posted on 02/07/2003 4:09:41 PM PST by Liebenator
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To: Stavka2
dammit Stavka2 it's a joke!
99 posted on 02/07/2003 4:09:47 PM PST by Free_at_last_-2001
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To: dogbyte12

100 posted on 02/07/2003 4:11:33 PM PST by Paul Atreides
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