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What The Coming War Is Really About
The Sierra Times ^ | February 6, 2003 | J.J. Johnson

Posted on 02/07/2003 1:39:44 PM PST by carenot

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To: veryconernedamerican
The Real Reason for this upcoming war is this administration's goal of preventing further OPEC momentum towards the euro as an oil transaction currency standard. However, in order to pre-empt OPEC, they need to gain geo-strategic control of Iraq along with its 2nd largest proven oil reserves

Here's another reason. Bottom line there are many reasons for this conquest. I can only assume that if it is terrorism then our borders would logically be secured & how anyone could argue that point is farcical. I want the enemies toward me annihilated. So I will after much thought agree to send our troops over to accomplish such. Do we know the final outcome? No. But this nation is bankrupt. This is just staving off the inevitable - lower energy costs & less Mid East disruptions. Count me in. BTW the author at least should use the proper words -higher instead of hire.

21 posted on 02/07/2003 2:51:22 PM PST by Digger
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To: angkor
You say that our goal in Iraqs to destabilize the mideast. Please explain and reference your sources.
22 posted on 02/07/2003 3:04:53 PM PST by wtc911
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To: angkor
Not if our goal in the war on terror is to destabilize the entire Middle East.

And that is is the goal.

And I am delighted that you, an unknown poster on an internet board are in such a position as to post such things without any other proof than your own say-so.

Come back with some proof, or get lost.

23 posted on 02/07/2003 3:13:26 PM PST by xJones
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To: carenot
I still don't understand why we're attacking Iraq. Given that of the 19 hijackers of Sept. 11, 2001, fifteen were from Saudi Arabia and zero were from Iraq, wouldn't it make more sense to go to war against Saudi Arabia? Not that I'd be real happy with that either, but at least it would make sense.
(Will I be kicked off FreeRepublic for posting this? Or do you allow skeptics?)
24 posted on 02/07/2003 3:14:25 PM PST by Whilome
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To: carenot
Here's what let me know this is bull...

The U.S. demonstrated Iraq is manufacturing of weapons of mass destruction. “They have been doing this in violation of UN mandates for years”, Washington says. So what about the other nations? There is Israel and North Korea, to name a few. Both have nuclear weapons. No one dares tell Israel to disarm, and we merely “ask” North Korea. This is called a double standard.

If I had to answer this I would say, "Why yes, there sure is a double standard. This isn't some classroom where everyone has to be treated equal and fairly. We support our friends and fight our enemies as we see fit, that is the way America keeps free and economically prosperous."

JJ goes on to say how Israel is NOT attacking Iraq even though Saddam pays the suicide/homicide bomber's families $25,000 after they commit their crimes. Well, there in itself shows the difference between a terrorist thug state like Iraq with nuclear weapons and Isreal with nuclear weapons. Which one should we trust not to use them?

The whole argument that we shouldn't go after Saddam because there are other bad dictators our WMD-armed nations out there is bogus. It is simply an argument then to do nothing. If you can't tell by now that a Saddamless Iraq isn't going to be good for our country and the rest of the world by now, you never will.

25 posted on 02/07/2003 3:15:29 PM PST by Alas Babylon!
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To: wtc911
You say that our goal in Iraqs to destabilize the mideast. Please explain and reference your sources.

My source is logic, history, and current events.

However others including Christoper Hitchens and Thomas Friedman (of all people) have pointed to this strategy.

Not that anyone needs "sources." One simply needs to think it through.

26 posted on 02/07/2003 3:20:32 PM PST by angkor
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To: xJones
Come back with some proof, or get lost.

Get back to your cornpone, Jethro.

27 posted on 02/07/2003 3:22:50 PM PST by angkor
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To: carenot
I agree completely with J.J. Johnson. And whoever doesn't like it can lump it.
28 posted on 02/07/2003 3:31:23 PM PST by waxhaw
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To: shadowman99
I'm getting sick of this expression "support our troups" the way I'm sick of "for the children". Support them how? Think harmonious vibes at them? Hope they have good karma? Barf.

Hillary, is that you???

Seriously, you can't be serious. (Or is that series?)

29 posted on 02/07/2003 3:34:18 PM PST by shezza (By the way, it's "troops." Troupe is reserved for circus performers.)
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To: Digger
I can only assume that if it is terrorism then our borders would logically be secured & how anyone could argue that point is farcical.

Well how about this:

We've let the Arabs play with their pan-Arabist and Islamist matches for 30 year, and the result was 9/11, Iranian mullahs, and Saudi Wahhabism. Not to mention the Sudan, Pakistani nukes, and the rest.

The Middle East is now in a downward cycle of Islamist barbarism and a thoroughly demented psychology of institutional evil.

In removing Saddam, we:

Remove the $25,000 payments to Palestinean suiciders.
Remove much of the funding to Arafat's degenerate PA.
Remove the cancerous pan-Arabic Baath party from Iraq.
Inspire the Iranians to remove their hated mullah government.
Delegitimize the notion of dictatorship in the Middle East.
(And finally) remove a potential source of WMD to terrorist groups.

There's actually much more to it than the above. But the bottom line is to halt the slide of the Middle East toward the nihilistic barbarism that's been its guiding course for the last 30 years.

These barbaric people were controlled and kept in check during the Cold War. They must be reigned-in again.

30 posted on 02/07/2003 3:49:01 PM PST by angkor
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To: waxhaw
I agree completely with J.J. Johnson. And whoever doesn't like it can lump it.

Good for you. Bravo for your thoughful comments.

31 posted on 02/07/2003 3:49:48 PM PST by angkor
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To: angkor
Get back to your cornpone, Jethro.

Thank you, and when you are more rational, please don't hesitate to try harder.

32 posted on 02/07/2003 4:16:10 PM PST by xJones
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To: xJones
Think it though. Use your mind.
33 posted on 02/07/2003 4:29:20 PM PST by angkor
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To: angkor
Get back to your cornpone, Jethro.

Thank you, and when you are more rational, please don't hesitate to try harder.

34 posted on 02/07/2003 4:32:08 PM PST by xJones
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To: xJones
When you provide some coherent commentary, I'd be glad to do so.
35 posted on 02/07/2003 4:35:29 PM PST by angkor
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To: bulldogs
Seems like Saudia Arabie is far more involved in terrorism towards us than Iraq. Let's take them out too. Why not? Why just Iraq?
36 posted on 02/07/2003 4:42:12 PM PST by Jael
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To: Jael
"Seems like Saudia Arabie is far more involved in terrorism towards us than Iraq. Let's take them out too. Why not? Why just Iraq?"


Jael, your quite a woman. I wish there were about another 100 millon like you instead of just a few millon. If there were, we wouldn't be in this mess. Good to here from you. I remember your first post, without a barf alert. That was funny.

God bless you,
Bulldogs
37 posted on 02/07/2003 4:52:25 PM PST by bulldogs
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To: shezza
I should have elaborated more. I get tired of war protesters who say "support our troops" but go on to say the war is evil. The peaceniks have learned that they looked bad during Viet-Nam, so it's just an expression to be PC. It's become cliche. Anybody who understands the need to remove Saddam doesn't need to be reminded to support our troops.
38 posted on 02/07/2003 4:55:42 PM PST by shadowman99
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To: shadowman99
Whew! Thanks for 'splainin'. I was about to get my dander up. ;o)
39 posted on 02/07/2003 4:57:41 PM PST by shezza (Support Our Troops!)
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To: xJones
You know you're going to get "incoming", but there has been something strange about picking out Iraq as El Hombre Numero Uno.

Not necessarily.

What if the strategy is a cleansing of the entire mid-east by removing EVERY government that is dangerous to us.

Iraq has the largest army in the middle east. And the most weapons.
Invading and garrisonning Iraq also surrounds Iran. From our position there, we could destablize Iran into student led revolution, perhaps even arming the rebels across the border.

Now we have the territory from India to Saudi Arabia under our control, or occupied by friendly regimes.

The Saudi's are now sandwiched between our forces and Israel. Wanna bet how quick they'll negotiate?

Lastly, there's no way to deal with North Korea without using nuclear (preferably Neutron) weapons. The army is too close to Seoul, the artillery in range of millions of people, and we're way out numbered.
We can't simply use conventional air raids to take out their bunkered army, and nuclear research facilities. Has to be nuclear. So there's no reason to rush 200,000 men to the DMZ, when 200,000 won't be enough anyway - and when we have to make a move against NK, the attack comes from a sub or planes and is over in 15 minutes anyway.

40 posted on 02/07/2003 4:58:04 PM PST by DAnconia55
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