[Age of Reason]

Please cite the civilization that never knew famine or natural disaster.

I wasn't tallking about civilization--I was talking about hunter-gathering peoples living before population growth forced people to farm and own land.

But since you bring up the subject, famine and disasters do seem to go along with farming and civilization.

[hocndoc]

""I wasn't tallking about civilization--I was talking about hunter-gathering peoples living before population growth forced people to farm and own land.

But since you bring up the subject, famine and disasters do seem to go along with farming and civilization""

Famine and disasters would have affected everyone, don't you think?

Remeber the wilderness that most of this continent was before 1800. Or look at Australia or any given South Pacific Island. The aboriginal peoples in these lands, those who might qualify as your ideal, still suffered the effects of disasters and had famines due to bad weather or a natural disaster.

I don't think your ideal society would have left much of a record to study, however.

Agriculture and a minimum level of population is necessary for culture, including recording and contemplating history.

There is no overpopulation on the Earth. There are the results of bad leadership and greed, but no overpopulation.