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To: Lion's Cub
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Did you see a headline a while back (December?) that said Hillary met up with Chinese General Xiong who was here in Washington to discuss military exchanges - the same SOB who had threatened to nuke LA and the same guy responsible for violently crushing the pro-democracy demonstrators in Tianamen Square? Ever since then the N Koreans have been acting like a cross between a rabid wolverine and a pit viper with PMS. The Clintons have a special relationship with Xiong, I believe- wasn't he linked to the John Huang/Riady/Chang scandals, where the Korean-American, Chang, was bribing the Torch and the DNC for favors to help unfreeze North Korean assets?

32 posted on 02/07/2003 1:28:46 PM PST by piasa (Anyone got a pacifist pacifier?)
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To: piasa
Did you see a headline a while back (December?) that said Hillary met up with Chinese General Xiong who was here in Washington to discuss military exchanges - the same SOB who had threatened to nuke LA and the same guy responsible for violently crushing the pro-democracy demonstrators in Tianamen Square?

No, my schedule didn't afford me much FR time in Dec, unfortunately. I don't doubt that your memory is correct, though; and I don't believe it's a coincidence that Hildabeast made the Senate Armed Services Committee.

The Clintons have a special relationship with Xiong, I believe- wasn't he linked to the John Huang/Riady/Chang scandals, where the Korean-American, Chang, was bribing the Torch and the DNC for favors to help unfreeze North Korean assets?

I didn't follow the Torch investigation (only so much time) and I'm sure you are right, but I know he was part of the Huang/Riady noose.

BTW, your memory is great--he was here in Dec. I found this reference in my notes:

ChiCom General "Nuke the US" Xiong here for US-China "Defense Talks" - Full Court Press Over Iraq
Xinhua, Japan Economic News, AFP | 12-7-02
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/802558/posts

And for those who don't understand that China is ultimately behind our problems with the terrorist states and N. Korea, I offer the following FR links:

"Who Is Xiong Guangkai?"
Posted on 11/15/1999 03:23:17 PST by Severnside
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a382fed253218.htm

We know now the PRC and the North Koreans are in various joint ventures to sell weapons of mass destruction, and the missiles that deliver them, to terrorist nations in the Middle East. Given the mafialike way that the PRC government is run, it would be unusual if Gen. Xiong or his family did not have a financial stake in that sort of trade.

In that same thread, is the post of an additional article from Xinhua in November of '99:

China: Army deputy chief leaves for talks in Russia, France

Xinhua
0456 gmt 14 Nov 99

Xiong Guangkai, deputy chief of the General Staff of the Chinese People's Liberation Army (PLA), left here today for a working visit to Russia and France.

Xiong is going for the visit at the invitation of the General Staff of the Russian armed forces and the Ministry of Defence of France.

Xiong is expected to hold discussions with the Russian and French sides on the situation of international strategic security and bilateral defence relations.

Then there are more recent articles that should give people pause:

Gen. Xiong pays a visit to Pakistan
Washington Times ^ | William C. Triplett II
Posted on 03/19/2002 9:04 AM EST by milestogo
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/649242/posts

(Snip)

The general may well have given the "Go" signal to North Korea's Taepodong I missile test in August 1998. Another Xiong visit, this time to Pyongyang, preceded the test by a few weeks. The multistage North Korean missile passed over Japanese territory and demonstrated an ability to strike parts of the United States.

(Snip)

There were two agreements announced in Islamabad on March 12, a "defense cooperation" agreement and a "defense production" agreement. (SNIP)

In January 1990, Iran and an element of the Chinese military signed a 10-year "defense technology transfer agreement." This led to an aggressive, and lucrative, proliferation of chemical weapons, biological weapons, nuclear technology, ballistic missiles and advanced conventional weapons (cruise missiles) transferred from Beijing to Tehran. The Clinton administration was forced to sanction Chinese military companies several times for this illicit trade. At her confirmation hearing in January 1997, Secretary of State Madeleine Albright even admitted to Sen. Robert Bennett, Utah Republican, that Chinese military companies were selling germ warfare equipment to Iran.

Pakistan's strategic weapons program simply would not exist without vigorous Chinese participation. Beijing has been instrumental with regard to the nuclear fissile materials, weaponization and the ballistic missile delivery system. Following on from the Iranian example, there is much more in the PLA inventory that could be transferred to make South Asia an even more dangerous place — ballistic missile upgrades, biological warfare equipment and technology, cruise missiles, chemical weapons equipment and technology, information warfare techniques and so on.

Gertz: China ships North Korea ingredient for nuclear arms
Washington Times via Drudge ^ | 17 December 2002 | Bill Gertz
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/807784/posts

North Korea has purchased a large shipment of chemicals from China that can be used to make nuclear-weapons fuel, U.S. intelligence officials say.

North Korean procurement agents succeeded in buying 20 tons of tributyl phosphate, known as TBP, a key chemical used to extract material for nuclear bombs from spent nuclear fuel, said officials familiar with intelligence reports of the transfer.

There is plenty more information out there, and I doubt that any of this was news to Bush. I don't believe he would have listed N. Korea in his "axis of evil" unless he had some kind of hidden Ace with which to trump the China/N.K. hand.

I do not know how Russia will figure in this. They have signed defense pacts with China and might conclude that a US nuclear strike on China would be a welcome opportunity to reduce us to rubble, thus eliminating two competitors with one stone. But I have to conclude that Bush has thought this through and convinced them that a jihad waged with WMDs would not be in their best interest. At least, I hope he has.

BTW, piasa, I posted these links for lurkers and freepers who are just getting up to speed, as I know none of this information is new to you.

And I'm coming to the conclusion that this is the mess that Trannie was talking about. If the jihadists start shooting off WMDs on a regular basis, the call for a one-world police state government will be absolutely overwhelming. If nothing else, we've bought a little bit of time with the 2000 election.

40 posted on 02/08/2003 2:55:19 AM PST by Lion's Cub
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