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Chief Moose (Sniper Investigation) Backs Three Gun Bills In Annapolis (Maryland)
WBAL Radio ^ | February 6, 2003 | Pieter Bickford

Posted on 02/06/2003 7:57:13 PM PST by caa26

Montgomery County Police Chief Charles Moose, known for leading the sniper investigation, voiced support in Annapolis Thursday for three new gun bills.

One would refine the definition of banned "assault weapons" to include specific military features. Supporters say it would close a loophole that allows gun manufacturers to skirt current laws.

"These weapons have no real use in our neighborhoods," Moose said. "The rapid-fire weapons do not improve the livability for the citizens of the state of Maryland."

Another bill would require owners to notify authorities if they lose a gun. Chief Moose said police waste valuable time tracking down the owner of the gun used in a crime, only to be told it was lost or stolen.

"Generally, we report all of our valuables when they are lost or stolen," Moose said. "So why not the same for guns."

The third bill would expand Maryland's ballistics fingerprinting system to include long rifles. Maryland currently only "fingerprints" handguns by recording a bullet fired from the gun into a state database.

Governor Ehrlich's press office released a statement after the event:

"Governor Ehrlich has directed State Police Superintendent Norris to review these three anti-crime bills for an assessment of their effectiveness. If he is convinced these initiatives can directly reduce violent crime in Maryland he will give them strong consideration."

The bills are scheduled for hearings later this month. Chief Moose may testify on their behalf.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Maryland
KEYWORDS: banglist; chiefmoose; guncontrol; maryland
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To: angry beaver norbert
This country has been forunate not to have some kind of mob rule at some time or another. If cittzens were disarmed, a handfull of armed criminals could control entire neighborhoods and a corrupted system would allow it.

As it is dope dealers control neighborhoods and dope is against the law. The police can't control the drugs now so under mob rule how would they control the guns?

62 posted on 02/07/2003 2:49:48 PM PST by oyez (Is this a great country...........Or what?)
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To: caa26
Dumb as a moose!
63 posted on 02/07/2003 3:10:09 PM PST by TexasRepublic
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To: tpaine
There are dozens of the 'states rights' crowd here that will admit, when pressed, -- that they believe states can violate the RKBA's.

When the Constitution was ratified, some states had constitutional provisions which protected the right to keep and bear arms, but that they explicitly authorized restriction on the carriage of concealed weapons. I know nothing that would suggest the Constitution was meant to overrule those provisions.

That being said, I would interpret the Constituion as requiring that states either allow all free people to carry concealed firearms, or allow people to carry ready-to-fire weapons unconcealed without legal harassment. Many states, of course, do neither.

Or for that matter any of our BOR's, - as supposedly they only apply to the federal government.

Well, the First Amendment, by its own language, is only a restriction on the federal government. It was certainly recognized that there were needs for certain restrictions on free speech and press rights (e.g. laws against slander, libel, etc.) but such laws would properly fall within state jurisdiction. Also, IIRC, some states did have established religious institutions when the Constitution was ratified; I see no reason to believe it was supposed to eliminate those.

64 posted on 02/07/2003 3:27:44 PM PST by supercat (TAG--you're it!)
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To: supercat
tpaine; -
There are dozens of the 'states rights' crowd here that will admit, when pressed, -- that they believe states can violate the RKBA's.

When the Constitution was ratified, some states had constitutional provisions which protected the right to keep and bear arms, but that they explicitly authorized restriction on the carriage of concealed weapons. I know nothing that would suggest the Constitution was meant to overrule those provisions.

Under the 9th, states can 'reasonably regulate' public acts.

That being said, I would interpret the Constituion as requiring that states either allow all free people to carry concealed firearms, or allow people to carry ready-to-fire weapons unconcealed without legal harassment. Many states, of course, do neither.

I think the USSC could use 'equal protection' to require states to make some reasonable legislation in this area. I won't hold my breath tho.

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There are dozens of the 'states rights' crowd here that will admit, when pressed, -- that they believe states can violate the RKBA's. --- Or for that matter any of our BOR's, - as supposedly they only apply to the federal government.

Well, the First Amendment, by its own language, is only a restriction on the federal government.

Yep, and that caused so much trouble that the 'congress' wording was, in effect superseceded by the 14th, which made it clear that ALL the BOR's apply to ALL levels of government.

It was certainly recognized that there were needs for certain restrictions on free speech and press rights (e.g. laws against slander, libel, etc.) but such laws would properly fall within state jurisdiction. Also, IIRC, some states did have established religious institutions when the Constitution was ratified; I see no reason to believe it was supposed to eliminate those.

The state religion thing was just left to wither away, wisely so, imo.
- But the rest of the 'states rights' controversy came to a head after the civil war, and supposedly was resolved by the 14th. The ratification hearings from '68 are amazing in their detail on how states CANNOT be allowed to violate our basic rights.

Obviously, they failed to make their point then, [IMO, because the 14th was poorly worded] as we still argue them now.

65 posted on 02/07/2003 4:42:34 PM PST by tpaine
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To: Travis McGee
Maybe I should send Chief Mumbles a copy of ENEMIES FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC.

Better do it soon, before they make it illegal to mail un-pc books to public officials.

66 posted on 02/07/2003 4:43:32 PM PST by Mulder (Guns and chicks rule)
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To: bybybill
Chief Chuckie was the head cop here in Portland. No tears were shed when he left.

Ain't that the truth. I was working in Portland then and I remember thinking that the hiring committee in Montgomery County, MD must be a bunch of dolts. He's not fit to be a patrolman, much less Chief. He makes a strong argument against affirmative action.

67 posted on 02/07/2003 4:52:32 PM PST by arm958
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To: tpaine
Yep, and that caused so much trouble that the 'congress' wording was, in effect superseceded by the 14th, which made it clear that ALL the BOR's apply to ALL levels of government.

The First Amendment posed an absolute bar on congressional infringements upon free speech. There's nothing in there about "compelling state interest" or "time, place, and manner" or anything like that. As written, it is very plain and explicit: CONGRESS SHALL MAKE NO LAW...

States clearly had, and continue to have, a need to impose certain types of restrictions on the freedoms enumerated in the First Amendment. To impose the absolute bar on them that was supposed to apply to Congress would be completely unworkable.

The problem is that nothing in the federal Constitution says anything about the scope or exceptions of the rights protected by the First Amendment. If the First Amendment only applies to Congress, there's no need for such a statement except to say that all such rights are absolutely protected from Congress. Imposing such restrictions on the states, however, requires defining what the scope and exceptions are; nothing in the federal Constitution does that.

BTW, one thing that might help the First and Second Amendment debates would be ratifying clarifying amendments to make clear what some exceptions are [all legislation creating the FCC, e.g., is grossly unconstitutional and yet some form of regulation is necessary to make radio transmission useful; ratifying an amendment authorizing the FCC and stating its scope and limitations would be better than just letting courts make up rules as they go along.

Likewise with the Second Amendment, having specifically written exceptions for certain defined types of weapons of mass destruction would be far better than just pretending the Second Amendment isn't written to be a clear and unambiguous bar against anything that would interfere with all free people's right to keep and bear such weaponry--for personal and collective defense--as they see fit.

68 posted on 02/07/2003 4:56:44 PM PST by supercat (TAG--you're it!)
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To: supercat
"States clearly had, and continue to have, a need to impose certain types of restrictions on the freedoms enumerated in the First Amendment."


You lost me here. - Why can't they just 'reasonably' regulate within the bounds of the rest of the BOR's? Got an example of such a restriction?
69 posted on 02/07/2003 5:06:46 PM PST by tpaine
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To: tpaine
That's why I'm a registered Republican, not a Libertarian or an independent. I may think a lot like some small-'l' libertarians, but I want to see as much progress in the right direction as soon as possible, and if that means my pet issues don't get stroked immediately, well, that's fine as long as our leadership shows progress in other areas.

That's also why I like George W. Bush. Hs is about winning. He strikes me as someone who like to win as much and as often as possible. And he doesn't have ego issues about what he wins. Very unlike Clinton, who probably is the most intelligent president we have had since WWII, and also the least effective since Carter, Dubya is not about Dubya. That makes him effective. I like that.

Single-issue conservatives and dogmatic Libertarians are what makes the conservative meovement weak, like a tennis player that can always be fooled by a drop shot.
70 posted on 02/07/2003 5:19:26 PM PST by eno_
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To: supercat
The FCC is a bad example. The Congress could have chaertered a corporation to license spectrum for the maximum financial benefit of citizens. Lots of commonly held resources would be better used if they leased/auctioned for limited terms with the proceeds paid out to citizens. As it is these resources are often abused, used for political favors, or treated by their licensees as private property.
71 posted on 02/07/2003 5:22:53 PM PST by eno_
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To: eno_
If one insists that majority rules, that the state has the power to prohibit drugs, for instance, you must also, - to be consistent in that same 'logic', - insist that this same power can be used to prohibit most any substance, object, or act.
That this is directly contrary to the original intent of constitutionally limited powers for all levels of our republican governments, fed/state/local, - seems to be beyond all comprehension or reason. 51 tpaine

That's why I'm a registered Republican, not a Libertarian or an independent. I may think a lot like some small-'l' libertarians, but I want to see as much progress in the right direction as soon as possible, and if that means my pet issues don't get stroked immediately, well, that's fine as long as our leadership shows progress in other areas.

It's the lack of progress in ~any~ area that I can see, that keeps me from voting republican today. A vote for RR was my last gasp. I gave up.

That's also why I like George W. Bush. Hs is about winning. He strikes me as someone who like to win as much and as often as possible. And he doesn't have ego issues about what he wins. Very unlike Clinton, who probably is the most intelligent president we have had since WWII, and also the least effective since Carter, Dubya is not about Dubya. That makes him effective. I like that.
Single-issue conservatives and dogmatic Libertarians are what makes the conservative meovement weak, like a tennis player that can always be fooled by a drop shot.

Standing on principle is dogmatic by definition. - And libertarians are not being fooled, in any way I can see.
I can agree with the position of todays RLC, which in effect, was the position/principles of the Goldwater Republicans 40 years ago. The GOP has deserted me, I did not desert conservatism.

72 posted on 02/07/2003 5:49:40 PM PST by tpaine
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To: Mulder
Maybe I'll include a character who stumbled into the national limelight because of his skin color and position, and sent investitgators off course 170 degrees, but still came out a hero.
73 posted on 02/07/2003 6:02:53 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: angry beaver norbert
My personal view on this is that we have not yet fully exploited information and communication in fighting tyranny. What if, for example, a unarmed crowd had surrounded the Elian raiders and made sure each of them became famous? What if each "donunt watch" instance of cop thuggery was accompanied by a high res face shot and sample of the cop's voice? Pretty soon it will be possible for ordinary citizens to conduct what has been called "sousveillance." Face recognition and voice ID are cheap and fairly reliable. Anyone with a PDA will be able to keep a database of known government thugs and report their movements if they see them. Is it a crime to shout "Lon Horiouchi!" in a crowded gun show?

No government thug will be anonymous anymore. No "spokesmen" to hide behind. When they come and rub mace in the eyes of anti-abortion protesters, they will have to live with what their home community thinks of such tactics. With cell phone cams, such infamy will be instantaneous. And with the Internet, their reputations will be permanent.

To extrapolate a little further, with instant group communication, it will be possible for protest groups to converge on protest targets as if they were coalescing out if thin air. Freeps will become more effective and harder to avoid.

Call me an optimist, but I think the days of the unaccountable cop-thug are numbered.
74 posted on 02/07/2003 6:09:28 PM PST by eno_
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To: bybybill
I don't know if he really is a racist, in light of the fact that he is married to a white, blond, lady lawyer.....
75 posted on 02/10/2003 10:17:21 AM PST by tracer
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To: tracer
Trust me, Chief Chuckie, is a racist, big time
76 posted on 02/10/2003 9:34:12 PM PST by bybybill (It`s just for the fish and then the children)
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