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To: Red Jones; swarthyguy; Shermy
Roy is a well known female writer.

She is putting together a litany of things she doesn't like, and calling it NWO, and laying it all at Bush's feet. You notice, in her world, The Indian government is part of the Empire she hates.

This is not a well-reasoned thesis.

the men who signed the deal with Enron in India

The case could be made that India took Enron to the cleaners. Enron built a large power plant on the promise of a power contract at market prices. The promise was not kept, and Enron is out the money. I have seen similar things happen elsewhere, where US companies have put up truly enormous sums only to lose them when promises are not kept. Multinationals who invest in 3rd world countries are playing in a very risky environment, and risk losing their shirts. And no sympathy from anyone when it happens. They just take a charge against profits, and move on.

the men who want to privatize water, electricity, oil, coal, steel, health, education and telecommunication -

Countries where the key elements of the economy are government owned are always economic backwaters, trapped in poverty. Its called socialism. These countries are always poor, but if you try to change the path they are on, you are the evil one. She admits that the status quo is bad, but she cannot bring herself to want to change the status quo. On the contrary, she blames the misery of her people on the people who are trying to bring change.

Last March, in the state of Gujarat, two thousand Muslims were butchered in a State-sponsored pogrom.

She conflates religious bigotry in India, which has a very old pedigree, with NWO. Think about this. Think about the history of India, both in classic times, and in the last couple of centuries. Limit it, if you like, even to just the post-independence era, and you will see that to blame South Asia's civil wars on GWBush is laughable.

It is tragic, it is something that people of good will are going to have to work through. The struggle to unite Indians of all faiths would be well worth the investment of Roy's talents and life-force. By blaming it on people she doesn't like, she trivializes it, and does nothing to advance a solution.

In Venezuela, President Hugo Chavez is holding on, despite the U.S. government's best efforts

Chavez is another case of a socialist trying to save his country from the ravages of socialist economics, by imposing ever more universal socialism. And then wondering why things only get worse. News Flash; centralized economies, which Venezuela has always been, are doomed to failure, no matter how much oil they have, no matter how charismatic their leaders. And, no, the US isn't lifting a finger to drive him out of office; the Venezuelans will have to do this themselves.

And the world's gaze is on the people of Argentina, who are trying to refashion a country from the ashes of the havoc wrought by the IMF.

No, they are having to dig their way out of the rubble caused by years of deficits, to the point that no bank in the world would loan them anymore money. The obvious answer, balance your budget, they dismiss as the evil machinations of the NWO. Again, socialist governments have driven a perfectly good country into the dirt, and then blamed capitalism.

Killing people to save them from dictatorship or ideological corruption is, of course, an old U.S. government sport. Here in Latin America, you know that better than most.

After decades of struggle, every country in latin america is a democracy except Cuba. With the fall of the Soviet Empire, within weeks the remaining communist insurgencies had all ended, amazing isn't it, with the exception of the rebellion in Colombia which metasticized into a narco movement.

While bombs rain down on us, and cruise missiles skid across the skies, we know that contracts are being signed, patents are being registered, oil pipelines are being laid, natural resources are being plundered, water is being privatized, and George Bush is planning to go to war against Iraq.

This is a juicy one. Where are the bombs raining down on you? Since when has productive work become criminal? When did oil pipelines become evil?

Resources are developed by investment, by the employment of technology, and by hard work. When did this become evil? What makes it evil, in Roy's eyes, is if it is done by private actors rather than governments. Remember, in countries where governments control resources, including India, including most of the third world, wealth is extracted and there is little to show for it. Her answer is more of the same. Her enemies are anyone that proposes another paradigm.

We can expose George Bush and Tony Blair - and their allies - for the cowardly baby killers, water poisoners, and pusillanimous long-distance bombers that they are.

Think about this one. She is using these words about men who would stop the real killer of babies, poisoner of water, and long-distance bomber. Study Saddam's career. Study the death toll under his rule, and then get back to me.

The canard that we once had dealings with him, and are therefore disqualified from stopping him now is juvenile. We were never his ally. The Persian Gulf states supported his war against Iran out of raw fear, and we supported him out of loyalty to them. The moment he became a threat to them, our supposed "alliance" with Saddam vanished. We know very well what he has done to the Kurds, and we have spent a decade stopping it. Now we are going to take him down. Roy can squeal all she wants, but she has place herself in the wrong camp, and if she were not lost to rationality, she would have to be ashamed to back Saddam against the liberators of his prison nation.

Remember this: We be many and they be few. They need us more than we need them.

We don't need you. You produce nothing, you stand for nothing. We are the doers and the builders. We are the ones who actually put people to work, and push back the walls of poverty. And we are the ones who are going to liberate Iraq, if it can be done. Watch us.

17 posted on 02/05/2003 6:15:19 PM PST by marron
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To: marron
why thank-you for explaining all that to us. You make a lot of sense. But I still oppose the WTO for the reasons I said and I think that development of third world economies and global trade can occur without the WTO in a more satisfactory manner.
19 posted on 02/05/2003 6:35:20 PM PST by Red Jones
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To: marron
Thank you for your thoughtful analysis.

I am heartened to know that there ae still people on FR that can carry a thought process to completion.

Well said indeed.
20 posted on 02/05/2003 6:37:56 PM PST by John Valentine (Living in Seoul, and aware of the threat.)
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To: marron
Excellent.
22 posted on 02/05/2003 7:28:03 PM PST by swarthyguy
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