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Senator: Concerned Columbia Crew took Pictures of Damaged Left Wing
Florida Today.com ^ | Februrary 5, 2003 1:20PM | Staff Wire Report

Posted on 02/05/2003 1:23:55 PM PST by ewing

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To: rface
The one on the forum is fake. This doesn't pretend to use that photo as evidence. This appears to reference photos taken by the crew. But I"m not convinced they could take pictures like that.
21 posted on 02/05/2003 1:34:46 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: ewing
There is no problem that is not made 10 times worse by an attempted coverup...
22 posted on 02/05/2003 1:34:59 PM PST by Mr. K (all your (OPTIONAL TAG LINE) are belong to us)
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To: Mamzelle
Exactly. I don't think so.
23 posted on 02/05/2003 1:35:09 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: ewing
I think what bothers me about the story is that NASA kept saying they didn't have any pictures of the damage ... maybe they didn't have THESE pictures, but if your brother was in space and sent you pictures, wouldn't you let people at NASA know ...??
24 posted on 02/05/2003 1:35:19 PM PST by CyberAnt ( Yo! Syracuse)
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To: spokeshave
the place in question was out of site of the crew of the shuttle, isn't this one of the reasons they said they wouldn't have done a space walk? out of site?
25 posted on 02/05/2003 1:35:22 PM PST by libbylu
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To: AppyPappy; Joe Hadenuf
No, the official excuse is now space debris.

I notice that they are trying to keep the focus on anything and everything that happened after the Columbia was launched, not prior to the decision to go to countdown. Maybe that is the right thing to do, but that's my observation FWIW.

26 posted on 02/05/2003 1:36:27 PM PST by Fred Mertz
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To: AppyPappy
Yup, the shuttle has been hit by lightening and meteorites today. All kinds of obfuscationary BS being floated. IT WAS BIGFOOT! yadda.....

I can reasonably assume the relevance of the emails escaped the gentleman until, as was mentioned before, at the press conference, DintyMoore told a little less than the truth.

Prior to that, the communications would not have been thought to be a big deal; and , hence, the delay.

27 posted on 02/05/2003 1:36:32 PM PST by dasboot
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To: abner
If the crew was concerned, that sort of info is something that immediately goes up the chain of command.
28 posted on 02/05/2003 1:36:48 PM PST by ewing
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To: ewing
If they took photos, then they most likely used a digital camera. I can not imagine that they would take photos that were not downloaded to Houston within minutes (even instantaneously) of taking the pictures. Hello, NASA...

--Boot Hill

29 posted on 02/05/2003 1:36:51 PM PST by Boot Hill
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To: Mo1
He tells this to a Senator and no one else?? .. Not even the media?

The media don't report everything they're told.

30 posted on 02/05/2003 1:36:53 PM PST by aristeides
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To: ewing
If this US Senator produces the picture of the cargo bay wall with a stovepipe hat, I'll just have to laugh myself silly.
31 posted on 02/05/2003 1:37:10 PM PST by gridlock
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To: DoughtyOne
However, I don't buy the assertion that military long-distance photography (from ground or satellite) would provide too little resolution of possible damage to be useful...I've heard this more than once.
32 posted on 02/05/2003 1:37:52 PM PST by Mamzelle
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To: ewing
Astronauts knew of wing damage

By Irene Brown
UPI Science News
From the Science & Technology Desk
Published 2/5/2003 2:26 PM
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CAPE CANAVERAL, Fla., Feb. 5 (UPI) -- The remains of the shuttle Columbia astronauts were scheduled to be flown to Dover Air Force Base in Delaware on Wednesday, as NASA managers struggled with questions about what the astronauts knew about their ill-fated flight.

The leading theory of what doomed Columbia 16 minutes before its planned touchdown in Florida is that a critical portion of the ship's heat-resistant tiles was damaged 80 seconds after launch by a piece of what engineers think is foam insulation falling off the shuttle's external fuel tank. The debris hit was noted the day after Columbia's Jan. 16 liftoff during analysis of launch video.

"The crew knew there was potential impact damage," NASA's deputy associate administrator for spaceflight Michael Kostelnik said at a news briefing.

However, engineering analysis, which was passed along to the crew daily, concluded the damage would not be a safety of flight issue. Even if it had, the question is whether NASA would have spelled that out to the crew.

In an interview with the Orlando Sentinel, an unnamed participant at NASA's internal briefings said, "Maybe they felt it was the only conclusion they could reach because otherwise, what could they do? Do you tell the crew their vehicle might break up?"

NASA has no ability to repair tile damage while the shuttle is in orbit and has no contingency plans for a spacewalk to the underside of the ship. Shuttle program manager Ron Dittemore said spacewalking astronauts likely would cause even more damage to the delicate structures if they did. Also, the shuttle had no power or equipment to change orbit and, for example, seek a safe haven aboard the International Space Station, he added.

Sen. George Allen, R-Va., said in a televised speech on Tuesday that the brother of Columbia astronaut David Brown disclosed receiving an e-mail from orbit that conveyed the crew's "concern" about the left wing, the Richmond (Va.) Times-Dispatch reported in Wednesday's paper. According to the report, the senator said Doug Brown, who lives in Virgina, told him his brother's e-mail said the crew had taken a photo of the left wing.

Kostelnik, however, said from inside the crew cabin the astronauts would not have been in a position to see the underside of the wing and the crew's e-mails to family members and friends were private. He hastened to add, however, the NASA-appointed board investigating the disaster would welcome any communications from the crew families relevant to the ongoing probe.

Though NASA currently is trying to understand how the debris impact could have triggered the loss of the vehicle, other theories about the spaceship's demise -- including an orbital debris hit -- have not been ruled out.

NASA also is evaluating a photograph taken from an amateur photographer in California that shows a mysterious purple electrical bolt striking the orbiter over California, the San Francisco Chronicle reported. Another observer in Arizona videotaped what appears to be a small white object falling off the shuttle as it flew over Arizona.

NASA lost all tracking and communications with Columbia minutes later over Texas.


33 posted on 02/05/2003 1:39:00 PM PST by kattracks
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To: AppyPappy
I read this morning where the technicians applying the glue for the tiles figured out that it would setup faster if they spit on it, after they spread it on the tiles and before they put it on the metal. The report indicated that this was true, but it also didn't make the bond as strong. The tiles were tested afterwards with a 'wiggle test', but only a few technicians knew how to do that correctly. The tiles were wiggled after they had some time to setup to see if they came loose.

Does any home handyman know what happens to a glue joint if you spit on it and wiggle it after it has setup for a time?

...Hmmmmm?...

34 posted on 02/05/2003 1:39:21 PM PST by Sundog (God Rest them...)
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To: Sacajaweau
Yes. One of them was sending email to school kids around the country. Referenced in several news articles posted here.
35 posted on 02/05/2003 1:39:31 PM PST by dasboot
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To: ewing
I think Doug was hoping that the Senator could bring it to light.

Well I would like to see this email .. something doesn't add up

The shuttle doesn't have side windows and the ones in the front don't give a clear view .. and the damage was under the wing .. so how did they get out there to take the picture?

36 posted on 02/05/2003 1:39:36 PM PST by Mo1 (I Hate The Party of Bill Clinton)
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To: TLBSHOW; Jael
FYI.
37 posted on 02/05/2003 1:39:44 PM PST by aristeides
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To: ewing
FWIW, the Florida TODAY is our resident liberal...VERY liberal newspaper.

I stopped my subscription YEARS ago....
..and don't miss it.

38 posted on 02/05/2003 1:41:35 PM PST by Guenevere (...Lord of the Rings trilogy)
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To: ewing
The Left Wing is responsible for the damage to the left wing.
39 posted on 02/05/2003 1:41:58 PM PST by El Sordo
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To: ez
No, the official excuse is now space debris. They really better not try that one after all we've learned.

Spacecom's #1 job during a shuttle mission is to track every freaking thing that will intersect their orbit. Several missions have events of taking radical thrusting maneuvers to avoid orbital debris.

Spacecom tools up for a shuttle mission at weeks in advance of each shuttle lauch with high-powered radar and telescopes to update their databases of the orbital junkyard.

40 posted on 02/05/2003 1:42:15 PM PST by jriemer
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