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Pot Case Jurors Call For New Trial
Sacramento Bee ^ | Feb. 5, 2003 | Claire Cooper

Posted on 02/05/2003 12:32:32 PM PST by Wolfie

Pot Case Jurors Call For New Trial

They say they were misled when medical marijuana evidence was barred.

Seven jurors who convicted a prominent medical marijuana activist called for a new trial Tuesday, rebelling against what they said was a misleading case and intimidating atmosphere.

At an unusual rally outside the federal courthouse here, several jurors, defiant and shaken, expressed solidarity with defendant Edward Rosenthal four days after convicting him of running a massive pot-growing operation in West Oakland.

Rosenthal is the author of a dozen books about marijuana and a how-to column for pot magazines. He was a major supplier for medical pot dispensaries in the Bay Area. However, U.S. District Judge Charles Breyer barred all evidence of medical use at the trial.

Smiling and unbowed, Rosenthal appeared at the noon rally to embrace jurors following a hearing at which the government's motion to take him into custody was denied for the immediate future. He remains free on $200,000 bond. The judge said he may keep Rosenthal out of prison permanently because his case is unusual.

"Both the jury and I were victims of vicious persecution," Rosenthal said at the rally.

The jurors said they began having misgivings as soon as they disbanded Friday. One bit of missing information -- that Rosenthal had been deputized by Oakland to supply that city's pot program -- would have forced them to acquit, they said.

"It was a nightmare for us once we realized what we had done here," said juror Marney Craig.

The Novato property manager said the jurors didn't know if there could be legal reprisals for their protest. But she added, "At this time I don't really care. ... I feel we were sheep. We were manipulated and controlled."

Craig released a joint statement urging a retrial on behalf of five jurors, one alternate and, she said, two or three additional jurors who could not appear.

Charles Sackett, the jury foreman, read an apology to Rosenthal "for having participated in so unfair a court trial."

"I truly do not know if writing you this letter is a contempt of court," the Sebastopol landscape contractor told the defendant, who hugged him. "If it is, perhaps we can share a cell."

In urging Breyer to order Rosenthal into custody earlier Tuesday, prosecutor George Bevan said Proposition 215, the 1996 initiative that made marijuana legal under state law for seriously ill patients and caregivers, made no provision for large-scale suppliers.

"The only thing that's exceptional about this case is how it's being portrayed by the defense," he said.

Breyer, however, said the case may fall outside federal sentencing guidelines, which prescribe a prison term of at least five years. Sentencing has been set for June. A defense motion for a new trial probably will be heard in April or May.

With the jurors watching from the front row of his court's spectator section, Breyer said Rosenthal's claim of immunity from prosecution as a city official wasn't frivolous and had not yet been ruled on by the appellate courts.


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: drugwar; losersareusers; medicalmarijuana; saynottopot; usersarelosers; woddersarelosers; wodlist
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To: Dan(9698)
There were a lot of cases in the 50s and 60s in the South where law enfocement types were held to be operating under color of law.

Inapposite analogy on its face. Such lawmen were in direct violation of the equal-protection clauses of the Constitution. Which portion of the Constitution did Rosenthal run afoul of?

141 posted on 02/05/2003 7:57:37 PM PST by general_re (Chorus: "We are the chorus, and we agree. We agree, we agree, we agree.")
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To: tpaine
Perhaps we ought to take a moment and ponder what life might be like in a country where intent was completely irrelevant in determining whether a crime had been committed. Personally, I think that would be a very bad idea...
142 posted on 02/05/2003 7:59:48 PM PST by general_re (Chorus: "We are the chorus, and we agree. We agree, we agree, we agree.")
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To: tpaine
>>>...Our boy 'dan' has already admitted that 'honest beliefs' have nothing to do with his vision of american law,

That anyone thought that those guys had an honest belief that they were following the law is laughable.

They were democrats and were trying to redefine the meaning of "is". They were trying to skirt the law.

Why doesn't the City Attorney take over the pushers functions if it is so important and legal?

143 posted on 02/05/2003 8:02:02 PM PST by Dan(9698)
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To: Dan(9698)
Go sell controlled substances and see if you go to jail.
They maybe can't do that, but they "will" do that. (put you in jail.)
-dan-

So big brother will always win.
"It appears that you are from DU."
129 tpaine


>>>..."So big brother will always win."

Not all the time. I just think there are more important things to do than sit around and smoke dope.
-dan-

Sure. - Apparently one of them is to sit here at FR and parrot big brothers line on the drug war. Just like some do at DU, I'm told.
132 tpaine

The dope smokers at DU agree with you.
-dan-

Thanks for admitting your affiliation with those DU dopes.
136 tpaine



I am not the one flaming everyone with claims that dope is good, lets all sit around and smoke dope and such garbage. You are.
138 -dan-

Weird claim. - Bizarre even.
You can't post ~anything~, much less a 'flame' to that effect, -- and you know it.
144 posted on 02/05/2003 8:05:22 PM PST by tpaine
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To: general_re
>>>...Which portion of the Constitution did Rosenthal run afoul of?

The Supremacy Clause which instructs judges in all states how to treat federal law.

The Supreme Court ruled that the feds could enforce the federal law. That was as fair a warning as the equal-protection clause.

They tried to skirt the law and got caught. Not the first time something like that happened.

145 posted on 02/05/2003 8:07:02 PM PST by Dan(9698)
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To: Dan(9698)
The Supremacy Clause which instructs judges in all states how to treat federal law.

You mean the federal law that says that duly deputized officers of state and local authorities are immune from prosecution under federal drug statutes for their official acts? That federal law?

146 posted on 02/05/2003 8:11:34 PM PST by general_re (It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.)
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To: Dane
And the circus of Ed Rosentahl continues from the fanatic supporters of pot on FR.

You doing some weird interpretations, here, boy. Nobody "supporting" pot. It looks like you got no common sense. But, what the hey, you have already made that evident. Over and over again....

147 posted on 02/05/2003 8:13:22 PM PST by Aarchaeus
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To: general_re
Perhaps we ought to take a moment and ponder what life might be like in a country where intent was completely irrelevant in determining whether a crime had been committed. Personally, I think that would be a very bad idea...
142 -G re-


All prohibitory type law is based on that premise.
IE, -- You are found in possession of a 'banned' substance or object?
-- Time for a directed verdict from de judge. -- Ten years for felonious flouting of a 30 rd 'assault rifle' magazine, you gun nut!
148 posted on 02/05/2003 8:18:17 PM PST by tpaine
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To: Wolfie
I see things like this as destroying the credibility of the courts. After hearing about this, how would you feel about serving on a jury in that judge's court? Sort of reluctant to convict anybody, because of not ever knowing how many relevant facts have been withheld?
149 posted on 02/05/2003 8:18:33 PM PST by Aarchaeus
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To: general_re
>>>...immune from prosecution under federal drug statutes for their official acts? That federal law?

That is the one.

But when a law was tried to be applied to what it was not intended to do, that is the redefinition of "is".

The court ruled that there is no such thing as "medical" dope. It is a perversion or redefinition of the meaning of "is" to try to skirt the law by applying it to "medical" dope. There were no "official acts" concerning medical dope.

150 posted on 02/05/2003 8:20:11 PM PST by Dan(9698)
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To: Dan(9698)
It is a perversion or redefinition of the meaning of "is" to try to skirt the law by applying it to "medical" dope. There were no "official acts" concerning medical dope.

Ah, so now the federal government will undertake to define the nature and "proper" functions of officials of the various states? And hold the states to that definition, under penalty of law for those officials? How thoughtful of them.

No thanks.

151 posted on 02/05/2003 8:25:21 PM PST by general_re (It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.)
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To: tpaine
No consideration of intent also means there's no longer any such thing as a true accident.

"We're awfully sorry that your brakes failed on that icy road, Mr. tpaine, but you did hit that other car and cause the death of the other driver. Twenty years for you..."

152 posted on 02/05/2003 8:28:53 PM PST by general_re (It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.)
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To: Aarchaeus
You doing some weird interpretations, here, boy. Nobody "supporting" pot. It looks like you got no common sense. But, what the hey, you have already made that evident. Over and over again...

LOL! I am supposed to shirk away because Rufus T. Blowhard called me a "boy". I am so sorry massa.

It is hilarious watching your alls indignation over this. If you don't like the law why don't you contact Ed Rosenthal's congresswoman Nancy Pelosi and have it changed. I have no doubt she will have a symapthetic ear.

153 posted on 02/05/2003 8:30:24 PM PST by Dane
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To: general_re
>>>...define the nature and "proper" functions of officials of the various states...

That is nothing new either. They made all the southern states change there voting laws, and rightly so.

If you want to change dope laws you must do it at the federal level. That is apparent.

The Supreme Court rightly or wrongly ruled that the federal drug laws could be enforced. How do you propose that be changed?

154 posted on 02/05/2003 8:30:51 PM PST by Dan(9698)
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To: general_re
>>>...No consideration of intent also means there's no longer any such thing as a true accident.

That is also a straw man argument.

It is presumed that officials are following the law. When it can be shown that they are not, they lose their immunity.

155 posted on 02/05/2003 8:35:01 PM PST by Dan(9698)
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To: JudyB1938; Lurking2Long
By the way, I am a senior citizen. I hope you don't treat other old people like that.

No Judy you just call people insane for giving a helpful suggestion, that if you think this is such a travesty that you should go to the person who probably would have the most symapthetic ear, to Mr. Rosenthal's plight, Ed Rosenthal's probable congressperson, Bay area congresswoman, Nancy Pelosi.

156 posted on 02/05/2003 8:36:33 PM PST by Dane
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To: Dan(9698)
They made all the southern states change there voting laws, and rightly so.

Because those laws were, once again, in conflict with the equal-protection clauses of the Constitution.

If you want to change dope laws you must do it at the federal level.

LOL. So much for those "traditional police powers" accorded to the states, eh? What the hell - the doctrine's only a hundred and thirty years old, right?

The Supreme Court rightly or wrongly ruled that the federal drug laws could be enforced. How do you propose that be changed?

We are still left with remedies for changing the law, even a few remedies that don't involve the courts...

157 posted on 02/05/2003 8:39:51 PM PST by general_re (It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.)
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To: Dan(9698)
It is presumed that officials are following the law. When it can be shown that they are not, they lose their immunity.

Like when they follow the law that says that duly deputized officials of state and local authorities are immune from prosecution under federal drug statutes for their official acts, such as the act of distributing drugs. Like that law.

158 posted on 02/05/2003 8:42:15 PM PST by general_re (It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.)
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To: Dan(9698)
"We're awfully sorry that your brakes failed on that icy road, Mr. Dan, but you did hit that other car and cause the death of the other driver. Twenty years for you..."

Do tell us dan, how would your finely honed legal mind get ~you~ out of this one if intent can not considered?
159 posted on 02/05/2003 8:42:17 PM PST by tpaine
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To: Dane
Dane-boy, you're becoming a one trick old nag with the Pelosi bit.

GIve it a rest.
It was dumb the first time you said it.
160 posted on 02/05/2003 8:46:31 PM PST by tpaine
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