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I need to add a class of people with whom it is impossible to have a rational discussion. Along with Democrats, gun haters and creationists I need to add fanatical statists such as yourself

Who's out there doing the improvement

United Water runs municipal water systems over the entire US for considerably less than the local graberments do.

Corporate electric companies build their own transmission and generation facilities paid for by ther stock and bond holders. Your statement that the transmission lines are paid for by government is total and absolute fabrication on your part. TVA is government run, but it is the most mismanaged electrical system in the USA. Its rates are the highest for any that have similar generation mix and its nuclear plants are a safety nightmare (Ever heard of Browns Ferry?)

so you are suggesting that county recording offices just came about for the sake of taxing low citizen, and bilking him.

Yes. Absolutely. County records offices are for the purpose of registering real property for taxation. Just like auto registration is for the purpose of taxation. Both exist primarily to ensure that nothing tangible escapes the tax man's greedy grasp. They are government inventories of assets that the government shears annually. Your statement

not, as history shows, out of a need to protect the private landholder from false claims against his deed?

Is nothing but statist propaganda without any basis in reality. History shows no such thing.

Likewise your statement "Government law historically occur out of need, not out of desire" Is nothing but moonbeams. Government rose out of plunder and conquest. The history of government was and is nothing but a Darwininan struggle with the strongest group subjugating and looting the assests of those unable to resist. This is what goes on today in Kongress with the top 5% earners paying 37% of the income taxes.

I love it when you statists turn to personal attacks "... man you are one really angry person... " This comes right from the liberal play book. I believe it is on page two just after "but it's for the children" It says "When they point out how the system screws people call them angry."

...Worldcom, Enron, Global Crossing ...

This is totally irrelevant. No one forces you at gunpoint to buy the products or services of these companies. You have no choice about paying for government "services" whether or not you use them - nice racket.

You rant against the 15B Aids plan over the next what 5 years? In budget terms you are talking less than 1-2% annually

I see, because it isn't a whole lot it's OK. If we follow your "logic" Then we can conclude it's OK to steal as long as you don't take more than a few percent of a person's assets. I find it hard to believe that you actually consider yourself a conservative with these ideas. Of couse people like McCain and Chaffee probably consider themselves conservatives too.

I've long since concluded that discourse with you is a waste of my time. You refuse to acknowledge to obvious and come up with the standard liberal justifications for wealth transfer. Snoore - you're boring me.

You need to add another group to your list, those are people whos view of reality is so skewed by they believe the entire world is out to get them, or like yourself are paranoid.

You claim that government grew out of a desire to subjugate is so patently rediculous that it would be comical if you truly didn't believe it. The earliest forms of government known were tribe, their chiefs and counsils, not dictatorships and totatlitarianisms. Their goals were not subjugation of their family, but the further survival of it... but of course your cracked view of the world will never allow this to be accepted.

Private property and contract law are two of the most fundamental concepts neccessary for a free society, yet you believe the instruments of law that support the defense of those rights are nothing more than scams to get a few bucks from you. Pathetic.

Have you ever dealt with a deed or title issue on your property? I have, and I can tell you right now, without that "scam" as you want to call it, private property could not effectively exist... anyone with a piece of paper and an axe to grind could lay claim to your land... But of course, heaven forbid something government does is useful.

You can keep labeling me names, and thats fine, you are completely dillusional and blinded by ideology, so labeling those that aren't is the last defense of the weak argument.

As to your attempt to counter laws come more often then not out of neccessity, you really didn't counter it... you didn't even acknowledge the example given... which of course you can't because your ideological ignorance forces you to ignore facts. Labor laws grew out of need, not out of a mad grab for power... THe laws that will force the movie industry to stop marketing adult material to kids will come out of need not desire... how many attempts at self regulation were given? THe food safety laws that let you eat prepared foods without likelihood of death came out of need, not desire... and the "private" industry other than a few exceptions such as Heinz fought it tooth and nail.. because what's a few thousand deaths a year when measured against profits? The laws didn't come out of desire to rule, but out of inability of the private industries to self regulate... You are in complete dreamland when you make copious and patently ignorant statements about how government does no good, is all about screwing you and should do nothing but fight wars.

I love private industry, I have made a very good living off of it. I have seen the system work, I have been rewarded for helping bring new products to the marketplace, but don't dillude yourself for one minute into think the profit motive always results in a proper outcome. ENRON et al are perfect examples of this, though you can whine you don't have to buy their products... fact is, yea lots of people were FORCED into buying ENRON's products... they artificially played with the wholesale price of electricity and their meddling was forced upon nearly every consumer in the country... so, please get off your private industry high horse. Private industry is subject to the same greed, corruption and self serving as the power mad beaurocrat.

Your assumption that Private industry will do what is right and provide a just outcome without oversight is flat out ludicrous. Go look at some of the countries of the world where few or little laws mandate corporate behaviors... you want to see a mess, you will find them in spades... but of course since private industry can do no wrong, and private industry is god to you... you I am sure will rationalize the death, harm and anguish they provide, after all private industry is the holy grail, and government is the devil.

I hate to break this to you, but you really aren't that important. I know, you can't believe it, but the government really could give a flying hoot about you... its not in existance to get ya... though obviously you believe they are... because, and I know this is hard to believe, but if they did want to get ya.. you would no longer be verticle. Get over your self dillusional state.

ANd as to my comments on the budget, you missed the point entirely. Your arguements are cenetered around the fact that government is funded by your income tax.. reality is, government has many streams of income, not all of them come from income tax. Personally I want the income tax gone, not only from the ideological standpoint of its immoral, because I believe it is, but just as importantly to shut up the whining self absorbed groups that always scream "MY MONEY SHOULDN"T BE USED FOR xxx".... Get away from an income tax, and you solve both problems... then government can focus on doing what it needs to be done without all these paranoid schizos ranting and raving every time something is done.