[sheltonmac]

"Either the principles of our union/constitution are worth fighting for, -- within the bounds set forth in the document itself, or it should be amended."

I think the perfect start would be to repeal the 17th Amendment. That is when the state governments finally lost their voice in Washington.

Lew Rockwell has made a compelling case that the Constitution is a "dead letter." The federal government has violated that document/contract in virtually every way, rendering it null and void.

Now, I wouldn't go that far; I still believe that it is possible to reclaim those principles. But I also believe that any change for the better will only come about when enough people within enough states come to their senses and unite to take a stand against the federal government. They could do this via the ballot box--for now, at least.

[philman_36]

I think the perfect start would be to repeal the 17th Amendment.
No problem with me on that. The 16th too.
What are your proposed amendments, gentlemen?
tpaine wants new amendments though, not repeal of old ones.
I think, I'm not totally sure though, that what he wants would, in actuality, be a calling for a Constitutional Convention.

[tpaine]

Either the principles of our union/constitution are worth fighting for, -- within the bounds set forth in the document itself, or it should be amended.

I still believe that it is possible to reclaim those principles. But I also believe that any change for the better will only come about when enough people within enough states come to their senses and unite to take a stand against the federal government. They could do this via the ballot box--for now, at least.

We seem to have come full circle, as in the above you now making aproximately the same point I did here at #17:

-- If a state rebeled peacefully, using the courts & civil disobedience to refuse to acknowlege unconstututional federal law, it could ultimately win in the ~real~ court. The court of public opinion.
The more oppressive the feds grew, the more support the state would get from ~all~ the people.
#17