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Streisand's Thoughts on Iraq
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Posted on 02/04/2003 5:03:37 AM PST by YourAdHere

Thoughts on Iraq

Bush’s explanation in his State of the Union speech for why we need to attack Iraq right now was unconvincing. Here are a couple of questions that have not been answered:

Where is the link between al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein? Not only has the Bush administration given us zero evidence of a connection, but many experts think that a connection is unlikely given the fact that one society is secularist and the other is fundamentalist... There is no reason to think that they are on the same side, fighting for the same cause.

Is the fact that Saddam Hussein has violated a United Nations resolution really a justified reason for going to war? Many countries have violated specific U.N. resolutions and not provoked war. A prime and very current example of that is North Korea, which has violated U.N. resolutions and treaties as they pursue a nuclear arms program, but which we feel we can contain through diplomacy ... could this be because they don’t have oil?

Here are some recent articles from prominent foreign policy experts that explain more about why I am opposed to this war right now:

“Empty Promises” New York Times editorial:
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/31/opinion/31FRI1.html

Stephen Pelletiere: “A War Crime or an Act of War?” New York Times:
www.nytimes.com/2003/01/31/opinion/31PELL.html

“Butler: U.S. Guilty of ‘Double Standards’ on Iraq”, Rueters:
www.rueters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=2125958

“The True War is with Phantoms”: by Shibley Telhami:
http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/suncommentary/la-oe-telhami2feb02,0,114226.story?coll=la%2Dheadlines%2Dsuncomment

“Paying for War” by Bill Moyers:
http://www.pbs.org/now/commentary/moyers18.html

“An Alternative to War” by Jimmy Carter:
http://www.cartercenter.org/viewdoc.asp?docID=1165&submenu=news

“Bush Doesn’t Want Good News” by Robert Scheer:
http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20030127&s=scheer20030114

“War is Not Yet Necessary” by Jessica Matthews:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A52631-2003Jan27.html

“The Sketch: Blair Astonishes Onlookers with a Frank Answer to Parliament’s Grey Beards” by Simon Carr:
http://argument.independent.co.uk/regular_columnists/simon_carr/story.jsp?story=371597


TOPICS: Announcements; Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: barf; iraq; irrelevent; nose; streisand
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To: YourAdHere
Why are we posting this crap?
Who cares?

Did Jim R. ask not to post stuff from garbage sites?
Even under the guise of "look how terrible this is"...

21 posted on 02/04/2003 5:40:00 AM PST by Publius6961
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To: Dallas
when we find wmd in iraq i dream we could take babs out and shave her head and spit on her.
22 posted on 02/04/2003 5:40:12 AM PST by magua
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To: YourAdHere
Like the typical NIMBY-type; first, she's against anything Bush does. With that said, she then tries to come up with reasons why.

This is a typical anti-establishment attitude. To get status, they know they must justify their positions. Unfortunately, the reasons don't justify the attitude; the attitude is used to create reasons. Typical illogical thought processes. First, take a position; then, once that's done, create reasons why the opposite position is wrong. Thinking people look at the advantages and disadvantages of different issues, then they make up their minds; they don't do this before they've analyzed the facts. You can see this illogical approach, leaning on the emotion of the issue, in most everything the Democratic leadership does: If Bush proposes it, they create "facts" to oppose it, merely for the purpose of differentiating themselves from him.

If she were riding a wagon, she'd have to get out and push the horse behind it, because she definitely has the cart before the horse.

23 posted on 02/04/2003 5:40:12 AM PST by Real Cynic No More
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To: alaskanfan
The January issue of the Atlantic Monthly has an interesting commentary by David Brooks which argues that the CIA, which is one of those entities pushing the idea that the secularism of Ba'athist Iraq precludes it from working with the Islamism of bin Laden, produces analyses which are biased by the "rationalism" of the analysts. "If I were bin Laden, I would be put off by Saddam's secularism; therefore, the bin Laden will not co-operate with Saddam." Such thinking, to my mind, is not persuasive.

If you harken back to the Crusades and the time of Outre Mer (as the Crusader kingdoms were called), then you will find that Muslims fought with Christians against other Muslims and Christians fought with Muslims against other Christians. There is a rich tradition of allying with your ideological (or theological) opposition against your more immediate enemies in that region.

24 posted on 02/04/2003 5:41:58 AM PST by bagman
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To: NC Conservative

25 posted on 02/04/2003 5:44:51 AM PST by Fraulein
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To: Always Right
“Butler: U.S. Guilty of ‘Double Standards’ on Iraq”, Rueters: www.rueters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=2125958

lol...

26 posted on 02/04/2003 5:49:47 AM PST by Geronimo
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To: YourAdHere
Where is the link between al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein?

First link: they both have publicly vowed to do us harm.

Second link: groups like al-Qaeda are what would enable nation states like Iraq to have the reach to hit us in our homeland. The fact that Iraq can't reach us with a missile was made irrelevant to all but the anti-war left by 9-11.

In order to justify taking out this threat to our safety, one need not have evidence of Iraqi complicity in 9-11. We have foolishly allowed the left to make this "link" pivotal, it should not even be a factor in our decision.

We should not be apologetic to anyone for wanting to take out the POSSIBILITY of a link, when we were successfully attacked on our own soil, the paradigm changed.

27 posted on 02/04/2003 5:55:04 AM PST by wayoverontheright
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To: YourAdHere; newgeezer
Streisand's Thoughts on Iraq

Someone has got to be joking?

28 posted on 02/04/2003 5:59:05 AM PST by biblewonk
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To: YourAdHere
Streisand's Thoughts on Iraq

Surely, you can't be serious.

29 posted on 02/04/2003 6:03:33 AM PST by Paleo Conservative
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To: YourAdHere
Why not go after Korea? Is it because they don't have Oil?

No but to war with Korea would mean War with China. Do we want to take on China? I think not!
30 posted on 02/04/2003 6:04:17 AM PST by Khepera (tag... your it!)
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To: YourAdHere
And she'd probaby use Iraq trying to develop nuclear weapons and ignoring UN resolutions if we had decided to take on North Korea first.

Like one poster said, it just doesn't matter what the issue is, as long as she just says the opposite of george bush.

31 posted on 02/04/2003 6:04:25 AM PST by PropheticZero
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To: YourAdHere
Mrs. Irrelevant-Has Been-Advark...shut the H*** UP! No one but yourself, your commi friends even know you anymore.
32 posted on 02/04/2003 6:06:35 AM PST by MeekMom (( Please visit http://CNLGLFG.com) (HUGE Ann-Fan!!!))
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To: YourAdHere
Babs is so bright...she should be in politics!!
33 posted on 02/04/2003 6:06:49 AM PST by Constitutional Patriot (hillary is a marxist who wants to destroy our constitution.)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
re: post #12
LOL
Thanks for starting my day out right!
34 posted on 02/04/2003 6:10:09 AM PST by MeekMom (( Please visit http://CNLGLFG.com) (HUGE Ann-Fan!!!))
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To: Bluntpoint
"What are her thoughts on..."

Barbs...what are your thoughts on beetle movement in Costa Rica?

35 posted on 02/04/2003 6:15:06 AM PST by WatchNKorea
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To: YourAdHere
What a waste of bandwidth, posting B.S.'s views on FR.
36 posted on 02/04/2003 6:15:52 AM PST by ImpBill
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To: YourAdHere
Bill Shakespeare, social critic on Barbara Streisand:

I hear a voice shriller than a thousand tongues.

37 posted on 02/04/2003 6:21:30 AM PST by ward_of_the_state (Babs - follow your nose; it always knows!)
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To: Khepera
Exactly. We attack NK, China invades Taiwan. We attack China, Pakistan attacks India, we all end up glowing for a long time.
38 posted on 02/04/2003 6:27:20 AM PST by WashingtonCollegeofLaw
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To: YourAdHere
Streisand, who in a past ranting called Saddam Hussien the President of IRAN!
39 posted on 02/04/2003 6:40:39 AM PST by Phantom Lord (No Remorse)
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To: WashingtonCollegeofLaw
I am amazed to hear Barbra Striesand advocate thermonuclear war with China. I'm glad her boyfriend isn't in the White House anymore, or he just might listen to her!

Though her son(?!) is in the Senate!

Mr. Sterling

40 posted on 02/04/2003 6:44:44 AM PST by gridlock (Say it isn't so!)
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