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To: bonesmccoy
"the object is tumbling"

the object is accelerating, relative to the Orbiter. The Orbiter is at maximum acceleration UP and the object is rapidly deccelerating as it is not aerodynamic and it is tumbling.

Also, how massive must a piece of ice be to withstand the relative wind as an intact piece of ice rather than be smashed to smithereens by the "slipstream" prior to impacting the wing?

The latter suggests at least some insulation, no? Would ice hold together? If so, it would have to be more than a thin, low-mass sheet.
48 posted on 02/04/2003 7:21:28 AM PST by Starrgaizr
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To: Starrgaizr
Good points.

At that altitude (ironically just greater than 200,000 feet) the vehicle is moving through Maximum aerodynamic pressure (Max Q) but the ice chunk probably would not sublimate. Turbulence in the atmosphere would probably not break up the ice chunk, because the turbulence probably wouldn't impart shear forces on the object. I would surmise that fractionation of the object would require sheer forces from the "slipstream" with differing vectors. Toss a piece of paper out of a window at 80 mph and you won't see shredded paper. You'll see a paper flipping and tumbling out of control. Hold the paper on one corner (imparting a opposite force from the force imparted by the turbulence) and you see shredding.

There must have been a larger ice chunk. The piece we see may have been only one part of a larger sheet on the ET.

KSC's PAO has posted better resolution video files.
http://www-pao.ksc.nasa.gov/kscpao/shuttle/countdown/sts107/vidtoc-b.htm

Clip One
http://www-pao.ksc.nasa.gov/kscpao/video/E212.mpg

This is the same angle as on the Florida Today website.

The initial frames are a bit confusing to an untrained person. You can see multiple white objects in a few frames. However, the forward orbiter attachment is between the tumbling white object and the camera. It appears that the object slides between the forward ET-orbiter attachment posts.


http://www-pao.ksc.nasa.gov/kscpao/video/ET208.mpg

This is a view of the stack port side and shows a large chunk of tumbling ice falling off of the area near the ET intertank region (area between the LOX and LH2 tanks).


http://www-pao.ksc.nasa.gov/kscpao/video/ET208Mag.mpg

This is a magnified and digitally enhanced view of the ice chunk appearing between the ET and orbiter.
88 posted on 02/04/2003 6:39:46 PM PST by bonesmccoy (Defeat the terrorists... Vaccinate!)
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