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To: TigersEye
That quote that nicollo pasted above is really telling - even this author, who agrees with the Bush Administration's premise on war with Iraq, the deposing of Saddam and the destruction of WMDs, admits that Lefties must separate their hatred of President Bush from their reasoning about the escalating situation with Iraq and Saddam's regime/WMD.

Lefties (and even some Mods) hate President Bush with a hatred so strong that the Conservatives' feeling over X-Clinton is relegated to dislike by comparison. The difference is, Conservatives had the entire history of X-Clinton's two terms as President, and all his time as Governor of Arkansas, upon which were based our conclusions about that man's character, motivation, and habit patterns. The evidence was on our side, yet the Left not only couldn't bring themselves to admit the truth about X-Clinton, they denied everything and defended him!

Why the unexplained and inexplicable HATRED of President Bush? Because he once drank to excess? Because his father was President before him? Because he is a Republican? There is no logic to their strong emotions against the President, and even no real basis for the emotion! Where does the hatred come from, and what fuels it? Why can it not be defeated with simple logic, a laying out of the evidence?

Though this group is smaller than it was pre-9/11, I don't think they can be brushed aside with quips about the Lefties' (and the Mods') intelligence. Something has drummed up this feeling, and keeps the fires of hatred burning despite evidence to the contrary. Is it just DU? Is it the media? Can it be explained Biblically, i.e., that the darkness shrinks from the light and that their minds have been given over to believe the lie since they have rejected the Truth?

It astounds me.

7 posted on 02/04/2003 2:15:22 AM PST by .30Carbine
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To: .30Carbine
Why the unexplained and inexplicable HATRED of President Bush? Because he once drank to excess? Because his father was President before him? Because he is a Republican? There is no logic to their strong emotions against the President, and even no real basis for the emotion! Where does the hatred come from, and what fuels it? Why can it not be defeated with simple logic, a laying out of the evidence?

you know, .30, i know someone just like this. She is opposed to the war with iraq, a typical liberal. we had a debate on this very recently and i said WHAT PROOF would you require from a republican president? she refused to answer me. i told her that i would respect her MUCH more if she simply said, i hate Bush, i will never trust him nor believe a word that he says. I said that THAT would gain my respect because i can't sit here and swear that if bubba clinton was at the helm that i would be as supportive of the war effort. I like to think i would be, if i could independently verify that it was necessary. She wouldn't even admit to that. Their hatred is virulent and inexplicable. and yet, they won't admit to it, and cling to some halfbaked protestations as to why war is not necessary.

8 posted on 02/04/2003 2:23:40 AM PST by xsmommy
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To: .30Carbine; xsmommy
Why the unexplained and inexplicable HATRED of President Bush? Because he once drank to excess?

Not because he drank, because he left that behind.

Because his father was President before him?

No, because his father was successful and honorable before him.

Because he is a Republican?

Yes.

There is no logic to their strong emotions against the President, and even no real basis for the emotion! Where does the hatred come from, and what fuels it? Why can it not be defeated with simple logic, a laying out of the evidence?

It has been said before that leftist ideology is a religion. Religion is not based in rationality it is based on faith and hope. As G. Orwell said in "1984" power is not a means to an end it is the end itself. Conservatives view politics and power as a tool, a means to an end. A necessary evil if you will.

If G Bush waved his hand and peace and prosperity pervaded every corner of the world they would still hate him. He is not "theirs". They do not have the "ring". His honor is a trick. His sincerity is a trick. His simple straightforward rationality is a trick. His unwavering diligence and discipline is a trick. To them it has to be a trick because these things are unobtainable for "normal" people. Their faith lies in man's corrupted nature being controlled by submitting the individual will to the collective vision espoused by the "leader" and enforced by the state. Their hope lies in the idea that when the state ends all suffering there will be no need for laws because of their belief that in the absence of suffering no one would even think of doing wrong. It is the cult mythology of victimhood. Only people who have been hurt cause hurt.

14 posted on 02/04/2003 11:42:08 AM PST by TigersEye
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To: .30Carbine
Can it be explained Biblically, i.e., that the darkness shrinks from the light and that their minds have been given over to believe the lie since they have rejected the Truth?

Certainly. It is the spiritual principle that Orwell's protagonist in "1984" struggled with. The individual mind vs. the collective mind. He wondered if he truly was insane simply because he believed something that no one else did. The collective said "yes, you are". The collective decides what truth is, your personal experience is of no value. You must reject what your mind tells you and accept the "truth" as defined by the party. The power of the party lies in that total submission of mind.

Bubba was their great hope. He forged "the ring". All his faults had to be overlooked, denied, ignored and/or restructured into positives. ie His childhood was scarred by an alcoholic stepfather therefore; he was a victim, he is like "us", that is good. To them he is not corrupt he is corrupted and more importantly he is unrepentant. Why would that be good you ask? Because in the psychology of victim hood it is someone else’s fault he is corrupt. To them to be repentant is hypocritical. To take blame for your own failings and repent is seen as a way to place yourself above others. That is what the left sees as evil.

The reality is he betrayed everyone, always. They can make that make sense by thinking “only someone as corrupted as Bubba could take "the ring" away from the evil Republicans." Algore was their next great hope. He could deliver them from all of the contradictions of Bubba. Or at least the most glaring ones. The ones that made them vulnerable to attack. It was OK that Bubba was vile and filthy to the core because, for the greater good, he was going to pass "the ring" to the more innocent Algore. The Spock like professor of the faith. But the "evil Bush" stole "the ring" from him. It could only be thus for them. Only some dark magic, some evil trickery could prevent "the peoples ring" from going to its rightful owner.

When rationality, common sense and logic are applied to collectivist/humanist ideology at any point on any level it begins to disintegrate. The only defense their ideology of collective good and collective guilt/victim hood has against the truth is to deny it, deflect it and/or distort it whenever the truth arises or, like a spark taking flame amongst kindling, their whole house of cards will be consumed. Everything has to be supported and promoted by an emotionalism that overrides the rational mind and defends the collective no matter what. On any given subject or in any situation logic has to support the preordained conclusion which has to fit the emotional paradigm of the overall doctrine. The rule there is that the conclusion has to make you feel good. The logic is; all bad results are someone else's fault.

15 posted on 02/04/2003 4:43:12 PM PST by TigersEye
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