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Professor's Snub of Creationists Prompts U.S. Inquiry
New York Times ^ | 2/02/03 | NICK MADIGAN

Posted on 02/03/2003 3:53:13 AM PST by kattracks


LUBBOCK, Tex., Feb. 2 — A biology professor who insists that his students accept the tenets of human evolution has found himself the subject of Justice Department scrutiny.

Prompted by a complaint from the Liberty Legal Institute, a group of Christian lawyers, the department is investigating whether Michael L. Dini, an associate professor of biology at Texas Tech University here, discriminated against students on the basis of religion when he posted a demand on his Web site that students wanting a letter of recommendation for postgraduate studies "truthfully and forthrightly affirm a scientific answer" to the question of how the human species originated.

"The central, unifying principle of biology is the theory of evolution," Dr. Dini wrote. "How can someone who does not accept the most important theory in biology expect to properly practice in a field that is so heavily based on biology?"

That was enough for the lawyers' group, based in Plano, a Dallas suburb, to file a complaint on behalf of a 22-year-old Texas Tech student, Micah Spradling.

Mr. Spradling said he sat in on two sessions of Dr. Dini's introductory biology class and shortly afterward noticed the guidelines on the professor's Web site (www2.tltc.ttu.edu/dini/Personal/letters.htm).

Mr. Spradling said that given the professor's position, there was "no way" he would have enrolled in Dr. Dini's class or asked him for a recommendation to medical school.

"That would be denying my faith as a Christian," said Mr. Spradling, a junior raised in Lubbock who plans to study prosthetics and orthotics at the University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center in Dallas. "They've taken prayer out of schools and the Ten Commandments out of courtrooms, so I thought I had an opportunity to make a difference."

In an interview in his office, Dr. Dini pointed to a computer screen full of e-mail messages and said he felt besieged.

"The policy is not meant in any way to be discriminatory toward anyone's beliefs, but instead to ensure that people who I recommend to a medical school or a professional school or a graduate school in the biomedical sciences are scientists," he said. "I think science and religion address very different types of questions, and they shouldn't overlap."

Dr. Dini, who said he had no intention of changing his policy, declined to address the question of his own faith. But university officials and several students who support him say he is a religious man.

"He's a devout Catholic," said Greg Rogers, 36, a pre-med student from Lubbock. "He's mentioned it in discussion groups."

Mr. Rogers, who returned to college for a second degree and who said his beliefs aligned with Dr. Dini's, added: "I believe in God and evolution. I believe that evolution was the tool that brought us about. To deny the theory of evolution is, to me, like denying the law of gravity. In science, a theory is about as close to a fact as you can get."

Another student, Brent Lawlis, 21, from Midland, Tex., said he hoped to become an orthopedic surgeon and had had no trouble obtaining a letter of recommendation from Dr. Dini. "I'm a Christian, but there's too much biological evidence to throw out evolution," he said.

But other students waiting to enter classes Friday morning said they felt that Dr. Dini had stepped over the line. "Just because someone believes in creationism doesn't mean he shouldn't give them a recommendation," said Lindsay Otoski, 20, a sophomore from Albuquerque who is studying nursing. "It's not fair."

On Jan. 21, Jeremiah Glassman, chief of the Department of Justice's civil rights division, told the university's general counsel, Dale Pat Campbell, that his office was looking into the complaint, and asked for copies of the university's policies on letters of recommendation.

David R. Smith, the Texas Tech chancellor, said on Friday afternoon that the university, a state institution with almost 30,000 students and an operating budget of $845 million, had no such policy and preferred to leave such matters to professors.

In a letter released by his office, Dr. Smith noted that there were 38 other faculty members who could have issued Mr. Spradling a letter of recommendation, had he taken their classes. "I suspect there are a number of them who can and do provide letters of recommendation to students regardless of their ability to articulate a scientific answer to the origin of the human species," Dr. Smith wrote.

Members of the Liberty Legal Institute, who specialize in litigating what they call religious freedom cases, said their complaint was a matter of principle.

"There's no problem with Dr. Dini saying you have to understand evolution and you have to be able to describe it in detail," said Kelly Shackelford, the group's chief counsel, "but you can't tell students that they have to hold the same personal belief that you do."

Mr. Shackelford said that he would await the outcome of the Justice Department investigation but that the next step would probably be to file a suit against the university.



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To: Always Right
I understand perfectly that it is possible to believe in evolution and a creator, but from reading the professors expectations, I don't think is acceptable to him. He seems to insist that evolution of man is completely explainable by scientific theory and any belief beyond that, which is not explainable by science, will not get you a letter of recommendation. Maybe I am reading too much in to what he says, but if I were a student that is how I would take it.

That's not how I read it, nor do the Christian evolutionist students quoted in the original article. Dini asks that the student seeking a recommendation affirm "a" (not "the") scientific theory for the origin of humans, not that they disavow any religious beliefs which may coexist with that theory.

As I posted above, his policy still makes me uncomfortable-- I would have preferred that he require students to "articulate" rather than "honestly affirm" a scientific theory of human origins-- but I think his policy is legal.

601 posted on 02/04/2003 3:29:34 PM PST by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: Alamo-Girl
Jeepers, a researcher might harbor the belief that the entire realm of existence was created last month, complete with memories and evidence - or that it is, or could be, imaginary. That doesn't make him any less capable of doing research.

Come on, AG. Do you really believe that? Who is likely to work harder or more creatively; a person who believes in the basic premises of a project, or someone who thinks the whole thing is in error? When we interview students and employees, we routinely inquire as to motivation. If someone says they want to work in my group because they need a paycheck, but they really don't believe any of it, think I'm going to take them on? Think I should be compelled to take them on?

One thing many of you are missing is that there is not an infinite supply of medical school places. If this guy gets into medical school, he's taking the place of another student who probably actually believes in the basic principles of biology.

602 posted on 02/04/2003 3:37:47 PM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: Alamo-Girl
A young earth creationist can do research in human evolution and his "cherished beliefs" are not threatened

(A moment of silence.)

The point is that scientists get to pick and choose who they want in their labs. Motivation for specific research is high on the criterion list for prospective students. No researcher is going to pick a student who thinks the main efforts of the lab are all a big joke.

603 posted on 02/04/2003 3:44:32 PM PST by Nebullis
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To: Alamo-Girl
But the effect is discriminatory, regardless of whether you feel there is some "compelling interest" in it. Essentially, you recognize, I think, that not all discrimination is illegal, unconstitutional, unethical, or immoral.

And, of course, while you may feel that "compelling interest" is the preferred standard, what I have hopefully imparted to you by now is that the law requires no such showing, so long as the state acts in a facially neutral manner, as Dini has done. While you are certainly entitled to your opinion, and a fine and valid opinion it is, the law sets a much lower standard for determining the permissibility of discrimination, because the law distinguishes between discriminatory policies and discriminatory results. Discriminatory policies that single out groups for special treatment at the outset are illegal - policies that do not single out groups for special treatment, yet have discriminatory results, are perfectly legal.

By way of analogy, it's the difference between a policy that says "Only Asian-Americans will be admitted to this medical school" and a policy that says "Only applicants with a 4.0 GPA and perfect MCAT scores will be admitted to this medical school." The first policy is illegal and unconstitutional, obviously. But the second policy is perfectly legal and Constitutional, even if it has exactly the same practical effect as the first policy, and results in only Asian-American students being admitted to that medical school.

Policy one: "Christian students must affirm the truth of the doctrine of evolution in order to obtain a letter of recommendation."

Policy two: "All students must affirm the truth of the doctrine of evolution in order to obtain a letter of recommendation."

The law says there's a difference between one and two. Opinions will vary, but at the end of the day, it's the law that matters.

604 posted on 02/04/2003 3:51:18 PM PST by general_re (You can't go home again, unless you set $HOME.)
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To: Right Wing Professor
You keep repeating this, even though it's been pointed out on numerous occasions that belief in a creator is not incompatible with belief in the theory of evolution.

I keep pointing it out, because it is clear to me in the eyes of this professor a belief in a creator is incompatible with the theory of evolution.

605 posted on 02/04/2003 3:53:12 PM PST by Always Right
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To: Lurking Libertarian; Alamo-Girl; Nebullis; Right Wing Professor; PatrickHenry; longshadow
I would have preferred that he require students to "articulate" rather than "honestly affirm" a scientific theory of human origins...

I'm pinging a few people to my next post, because it's got the first words from Dini himself that I've seen, plus it's a worthwhile take on the subject. I stumbled upon it quite by accident, but it's quite long, so I'll address it to no one...

Kindly proceed to the next post... ;)

606 posted on 02/04/2003 4:04:08 PM PST by general_re (You can't go home again, unless you set $HOME.)
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Subject: Not Recommended: On Evolution and Academic Freedom
From: Clay Farris Naff
Email: claynaff@yahoo.com

Does a biology professor's refusal to write letters of recommendation for a student unwilling to embrace evolution amount to unfair discrimination? For conservative Christian advocacy groups, the answer is a thunderous yes. For Texas Tech University, where the issue has lately arisen, the answer is a milder no. For those concerned with science-religion issues, the answer is perhaps a deep sigh, for this may well seem like one more troubling instance of irreconcilable conflict.

"You shouldn't have to denigrate your religion to obtain a benefit from a government official," says a lawyer assisting the aggrieved student.

To which retorts the professor at the center of the storm, "Should I have to write a letter of recommendation for someone who rejects what I am teaching?"

Yet, as so often in evolution controversies, there is both more and less to the story. Your humble columnist has dusted off his journalistic kit and gone out to interview representatives of all sides in this unhappy imbroglio.

First, some background: Hundreds of Texas Tech students take Professor Michael Dini's introductory biology course each year. To get an "A" in the class, a student has to become adept in the material. A shot at a letter of recommendation takes a little more.

For the past three years, Dini has published his criteria for letters of recommendation on his university web site. Slightly abridged, they are:

(1) earn an "A" in at least one of his classes; (2) take on a leadership role or special project so that he gets to know you; and (3) answer, in person, the question: "How do you think the human species originated?"

On his site, Dini cautions students: "If you cannot truthfully and forthrightly affirm a scientific answer to this question, then you should not seek my recommendation for admittance to further education in the biomedical sciences."

The pitch began to boil after an article appeared Oct. 6 in the Lubbock Avalanche-Journal under the oddly suggestive headline, "Professor Rigid on Evolution." The story centered on a former Texas Tech student named Micah Spradling.

According to the story, Spradling enrolled in Dini's course this fall hoping to get a letter of recommendation that would send him on his way to a University of Texas Medical Center program in artificial limbs, which happens to be his family's business. However, the article said, "his family drew the line when his belief in the theory became a prerequisite for continuing his education."

It went on to heap condemnations on Dini's head, from local creationist doctors as well as a University of Texas professor of history and philosophy of medicine, who called the award-winning biology professor an "ingrate." Neither Dini nor the university responded to the reporter's request for statements, and no comments defending Dini appeared in the article.

Since the story appeared, many angry e-mails have been sent to the university complaining about Dini's policy. An editorial in the Avalanche-Journal has condemned it as "philosophical bullying."

Texas Tech President David Schmidly issued a general defense of instructors' right to apply whatever criteria they choose in writing or refusing recommendations. He did not specifically mention Dini. Faculty support has been warmer. In an interview with this columnist, Architecture Professor Marc Giaccardo, former president of the faculty senate and the American Association of University Professors' representative at Texas Tech, said, "We will support academic freedom to the hilt."

Meantime, the Oct. 6 article has touched off a frenzy of outrage from conservative Christian groups. The Texas Eagle Forum (a branch of Phyllis Schlafly's national organization) responded on its web site: "This unfairly eliminates Christian students from receiving a recommendation regardless of their academic record or aptitude for biology. As Dini is a state employee, this is an egregious example of government forcing students to deny their religious beliefs."

And the Liberty Legal Institute of Plano, Texas, has taken on Spradling as a pro bono client in a pending lawsuit against Dini and Texas Tech. Hiram Sasser, the institute's staff attorney, says it will be based on at least four federal and state issues, but the essence of the strategy is to say that Dini's policy amounts to illegal discrimination on the basis of religious belief.

"It is anti anyone who doesn't believe in evolution," Sasser said in a telephone interview. "A large percentage of people who don't believe evolution is true happen to be Christians."

What are we to make of all this? The arguments the Liberty Legal Foundation raises will have to be tested in court to determine their legal worth. However, the issues that underlie them are fair game for evaluation.

Many people naturally feel sympathy for Micah Spradling. Requiring ideological conformity seems contrary to American ideals. Some ask why a professor would go post his views unless he were trying to be provocative.

The truth may be somewhat simpler. Throughout the controversy, Professor Dini kept silent until agreeing to speak with this writer. In an interview at his office, Dini said he created the "recommendations" web page to spare himself the chore of turning down large numbers of students face-to-face.

"I teach hundreds of students every semester," Dini said. "Many of them ask for letters of recommendation. Most of them probably shouldn't."

That judgment has nothing to do with their religious beliefs, Dini explained. Rather, as a teacher of introductory biology courses, he feels that most students should turn to instructors who work with them in the more intimate setting of advanced courses. Those who do seek his recommendation, however, must cleave to his standards.

No one can justly charge Dini with being cavalier in his requirements. He harbors a strong concern for pedagogy. He has coauthored three journal articles on science teaching. His faculty web site carries not only his recommendations policy but also a stern and lengthy essay on his teaching philosophy.

It includes these statements: "An educator who possesses integrity does not act with the purpose of making him or herself popular. ...I do not make it my concern to bolster a student's sense of self-esteem, or to permit a student to remain in college, in a particular major, in a particular organization or in a particular career path." Nevertheless, the Texas Tech Honors College named him the 1998-99 "Teacher of the Year".

Is Dini within his rights to make acceptance of human evolution a condition? To answer this question, we must make crucial distinctions between grades and letters of recommendation.

Grading is a core responsibility of instructors. Writing letters is not. Grading must be rational and unbiased. The American Association of University Professors includes in its policy on grading this statement: "students should be free from prejudicial or capricious grading." But, according to experts on academic freedom, no such restriction applies to letters of recommendation.

"A faculty member has not only the right but the responsibility to set personal standards for consenting to write letters of recommendation," said AAUP representative Giaccardo.

"We don't get paid to write letters," said an expert on academic freedom at another university. "If we withheld grades, that would be a different matter."

The distinction is not lost on Dini.

"As long as you understand the theory of evolution and can explain it, you would get an "A" in my course," he said. "But if you want me to do you the favor of giving you a letter of recommendation to medical school, you should be a scientist."

The Liberty Legal Institute disputes the idea that recommendations are purely optional. "A letter from Professor Dini means absolutely nothing except for the fact that he holds an appointment at Texas Tech," staff attorney Sasser said. "If all professors refused to give them, students from Tech could not go on to further education."

True or not, it seems inconceivable that professors could be compelled to write letters of recommendation. Would every student then be entitled to a letter of recommendation? How would they be parceled out among the faculty? And what would be their subsequent value?

Still, a court might declare that a professor may not discriminate on the basis of race, gender, or creed, etc., in deciding whether or not to write such letters. Indeed, that appears to be the aim of the pending suit.

So we may ask: Does it make sense to call Dini's stance religious discrimination? Certainly not in a broad sense. It appears that the major religions are deeply divided over the question of human origins. Within Christianity alone, there are numerous splits.

Fundamentalist and evangelical churches generally reject evolution as contradicting the "special creation" described in the Bible. Liberal churches generally accept evolution and interpret the Bible accordingly. The Catholic Church and various mainstream Protestant churches regard evolution as one step in the divine plan and consider that God intervened at some point to create the human soul in our ancestors. Other religions also have varying attitudes and doctrines concerning evolution.

Must a science professor be cognizant of all students' religious views and take them into account in deciding for whom to write a letter of recommendation? It appears that this could actually foster religious discrimination. If one student declares that her religion bars belief in evolution while another declares that he's allowed to believe in evolution, but he disbelieves the scientific account, "because it just doesn't make sense," does the former deserve higher consideration or special dispensation? If so, it's by no means clear why.

Dini's controversial criterion makes no reference to religion. But suppose it were both religiously offensive and unrelated to the subject matter. In our interview, Sasser raised the point by asking, "What if he had a requirement that you have to believe that Mohammed was a pedophile?"

Academic freedom experts maintain that, when it comes to letters of recommendation, a professor's discretion is inviolable. Even such detestable criteria as Sasser's hypothetical example are allowed. But at least in that case we might raise moral protest.

In point of fact, however, evolution forms the keystone in the edifice of modern biology. In a famous 1973 essay titled, "Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of evolution," the late geneticist Theodosius Dobzhansky wrote, "There are no alternatives to evolution as [biological] history that can withstand critical examination." And so, comparisons with imaginary professors who erect arbitrary and bigoted hurdles in the way of students seeking letters of recommendation miss the mark.

Perhaps the best hypothetical comparison is with a business professor who teaches introduction to capitalism. Might such a professor reasonably require that students who wish to receive her recommendation profess a sincere acceptance of the principles of capitalism? Quite likely. Would a Marxist student be justified in suing the professor for discrimination? Obviously not. Marxists are not a protected class. But what if a student belonged to a communal religious sect? Would that student be entitled to successfully sue? Surely not.

For if that were the case, then geography professors would be compelled to write letters of recommendation for Flat-Earth Society members; astronomers would have to recommend for literalists who insist that the stars are fixed in a metal canopy over the sky; physicists would have to recommend creationists who claim the speed of light has rapidly fallen; and law professors would have to write letters of recommendation for reconstructionists who disbelieve in civil law. The integrity of pedagogy would be demolished.

I said at the outset that there was both more and less to this case than meets the eye. There is less in the sense that Micah Spradling appears never to have confronted Michael Dini. According to Liberty Legal Institute's staff attorney, on reading Dini's requirements Spradling responded, "I'll never be able to affirm that I believe human evolution is true. My faith prohibits that."

Evidently, rather than make his feelings known to Professor Dini, Spradling dropped out of Texas Tech altogether, transferred to Lubbock Christian University, a private institution in the same city, and began planning his lawsuit.

We can only speculate on what would have happened had Spradling gone in to explain why he could not adopt Dini's views on human evolution. Who knows? Perhaps, the student, finding inspiration, would have offered a persuasive counterargument.

Dini says that as a scientist he remains open to new interpretations. "If a student were able to discredit the scientific theory of evolution to my satisfaction," he said, "that might be another thing. But I haven't heard any such arguments."

In any event, a policy unchallenged is a policy untested. It seems unlikely therefore that a court will find that Dini did Spradling any harm.

There is more to the story in its context. The sparks of outrage at Dini's policy only add to the firestorm over science education in America. Many conservative Christians sincerely regard evolution as a threat to their faith and to the moral order of society. Many conservative religious organizations seek to capitalize on those fears for fundraising and political gain. The big question, then, concerns how educational institutions are to deal with the conflicting worldviews presented by science and fundamentalist religions.

Good will alone will not suffice. Science simply cannot compromise with religion if it is to preserve its integrity. When political pressures distort the scientific conclusions drawn from evidence, disaster frequently follows.

The Kremlin learned this at a bitter cost after Stalin made a maverick scientist the arbiter of evolution in the Soviet Union. Trofim Lysenko, echoing Lamarck, claimed that environment determined heredity. He believed, for example, that if seeds were soaked in cold water, they would grow in cold climates. Such advice contributed to mass starvation in the Soviet famines of the 1930s. In these days of genetic research and evolutionary medicine, the potential for disaster from political manipulation of science is at least as great.

On the other hand, a democratic society must respect the principles of freedom of conscience, and more particularly, of academic freedom. Here, whatever one may think of Professor Dini's criteria or his method of conveying them, he has done a service in helping to clarify the appropriate line. It runs, straight and narrow, through the divide between grading and recommending.

Michael Dini's conscience tells him that people entering careers in the biomedical fields should both understand and accept evolution. Micah Spradling's conscience tells him that it's best to respond by entering a Christian academy. So be it.

But what of all the other students who feel a conflict between science and their religion? Can we offer them something more than the right of conscientious dissent? We can and we must.

We can point out that, although science cannot compromise with religion, neither can it stamp out faith. Francis Collins, joint leader of the human genome project and a practicing Christian, stands as proof of that. And he is far from alone.

Science does, however, undermine dogma. The advocates of science-religion dialogue can point out that when faith depends on a body of ancient claims about history and nature, it rests on a frail foundation. We can show how the torrent of scientific discovery is rapidly eroding that base. We can attempt to persuade that, however much political power religious literalists may gain, they cannot legislate science to their liking. To do so would be to introduce Lysenkoism in a clerical collar. And down that road lies intellectual famine, or worse.

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607 posted on 02/04/2003 4:04:17 PM PST by general_re (You can't go home again, unless you set $HOME.)
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To: Always Right
I keep pointing it out, because it is clear to me in the eyes of this professor a belief in a creator is incompatible with the theory of evolution.

You are aware that he's a devout Catholic, aren't you?

608 posted on 02/04/2003 4:09:01 PM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: Right Wing Professor
You are aware that he's a devout Catholic, aren't you?

And Clinton is a Southern Baptist....

609 posted on 02/04/2003 4:12:32 PM PST by Always Right
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To: general_re
Great essay; thanks for posting it.
610 posted on 02/04/2003 4:12:56 PM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: Always Right
You are aware that he's a devout Catholic, aren't you?

And Clinton is a Southern Baptist....

Clintons' conduct in office was distinctly at odds with his professed religion, as I understand it. Dini 's religion entirely permits him to believe in Darwinian evolution. It's obnoxious to compare Dini, who appears to be an honorable man, to a scumbag like the last president.

611 posted on 02/04/2003 4:17:45 PM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: Always Right
You are aware that he's a devout Catholic, aren't you?

"And Clinton is a Southern Baptist.... "

Ah.. I see! Catholics who accept evolution aren't real Christians.

612 posted on 02/04/2003 4:24:39 PM PST by Youngblood
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To: general_re
According to Liberty Legal Institute's staff attorney, on reading Dini's requirements Spradling responded, "I'll never be able to affirm that I believe human evolution is true. My faith prohibits that."

So basically, no matter how persuasive the evidence may be, even in the future, his religious views will prevail. And he wants a letter of recommendation from a science professor?!

613 posted on 02/04/2003 4:33:43 PM PST by Youngblood
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To: general_re
But what of all the other students who feel a conflict between science and their religion? Can we offer them something more than the right of conscientious dissent? We can and we must.

This is very generous. I think it's the student's responsibility to resolve that conflict or to learn live with it. We all do in one way or another.

614 posted on 02/04/2003 4:39:40 PM PST by Nebullis
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To: HumanaeVitae
Hello? JennyP, you there?

Sorry, I was painting the hallway yesterday. (Whoa, 450 posts in 24 hours! I think I'll just step away slowly...)

615 posted on 02/04/2003 4:52:32 PM PST by jennyp (http://crevo.bestmessageboard.com)
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To: Dan Day
You indeed appear to be adamant in your determination that you won't even seek a plausible way that the water really is water and then proceed on that hypothesis. Instead you just throw up objections that even a minute's mature considered thought can address, as has been demonstrated on this board time and time again. And then you blame the messenger for pointing this out. There are big issues and debates in Bible scholarship, but your kind of petty complaints don't even come close.
616 posted on 02/04/2003 5:00:44 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: Dan Day
Not at all what I said. [NO clarification follows]

"Did not!" "Did too!"

617 posted on 02/04/2003 5:03:41 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: HiTech RedNeck
a minute's mature considered thought can address

Well you can rationalize his points if you have already made up your mind. That attitude however is what makes creation science an oximoron.

618 posted on 02/04/2003 5:03:45 PM PST by Dinsdale
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To: general_re
"We don't get paid to write letters," said an expert on academic freedom at another university. "If we withheld grades, that would be a different matter."

This guts any notion of their being an actionable discrimination here. The student's contract is with the University. It says that if the student performs according to the applicable academic critieria, he will get a corresponding grade; if he passes the right courses, he will get a degree. The University gets his tuition in return. That's the contract.

Nowhere in the contract is there any promise to provide letters of PERSONAL recommendation by professors. The recommendations are PRIVATE acts, and as such are beyond the reach of anti-descrimination laws. They are not provided by the University, they are provided by the professor. There's no privity here connecting the professor to the contract with the student.

The lawyer's claim that the professor's position at the unviversity is his only basis for a recomendation letter, and thus the recommendation letter is therefore intimately tied to the state-supported University is non-sense: if Einstein taught a Hoboken Community College instead of Princeton, I dare say a letter of recommendation from him would carry more weight, in view of his Nobel prize, than some other run-of-the-mill Community college professor's letter.

This case is DOA.

619 posted on 02/04/2003 5:04:28 PM PST by longshadow
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To: Dan Day
So on that note, good bye indeed.

If I am headed to heaven, your good bye means you're headed to...

620 posted on 02/04/2003 5:05:07 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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