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To: Kozak
KOZAK WROTE: "The shuttle Columbia COULD NOT GET to the ISS because the space station is at an orbital distance greater then Columbias engines could reach. It was an IMPOSSIBILITY."

I did not get to see the NASA news briefing yesterday which supposedly addressed the issues I brought up so forgive me for trying to clarify.

Did they say how MUCH farther out the ISS orbit is than what the current ability of the Shuttle is? Could they upgrade the engines for future missions or would larger engines weigh too much?

Obviously, it is a moot issue for the Columbia, but I seem to remember that when the Space Shuttle was first being "sold" to us, astronauts were going to be able to be just "shuttled" back and forth, e.g. with the "Shuttle" planes. If not these "Shuttles," which ones were they talking about? I don't recall what vehicles got the current astronauts to the ISS. Do you know?

KOZAK WROTE: "Repairing the tiles? Each tile is a custom fit. Do they carry spares for the entire heat shield?"

I understand that each tile is a different shape, prohibiting them from taking enough individual tiles for complete replacement.

My thought, however, is that since they typically only lose a "few" tiles, and since they are made of EASILY-CUT, light-weight STYROFOAM which has a heat-shield coating, they could take a sheet or two or three of it with them (e.g. 3-2x4 foot sheets) to CUSTOM CUT them down as specifically needed.

With an ABILITY to EXAMINE and REPLACE the heat-shields via an EMERGENCY SPACE WALK, they could look up the size they needed (or make templates) and cut and glue them on as needed. As easily as the styrofoam heat-shields come off, having that EMERGENCY SPACE WALK ABILITY IS CRITICAL.

KOZAK WROTE: "A Soyuz rescue mission would actually take at LEAST 4 missions as the Soyuz carries 3 passengers at a time. Thats 1 pilot and 2 shuttle crew at a time. Since there were 7 shuttle crew do the math. Do you think the Russians have them on the pad in six packs?"

It is my understanding that the Soyuz is bringing up supplies to the ISS wihin a day or two---UNMANNED. If so, it seems that it could have brought back three at a time (and might have EMERGENCY SPACE for more). Maybe we should have a BACKUP Shuttle (capable of reaching the ISS, e.g. the Shuttle "sold" to us as mentioned above), ready to go in an EMERGENCY (or one which could could be QUICKLY CONVERTED from a scheduled future mission).

KOZAK WROTE: "Space is a dangerous place. Just like military aviation there are situations which you cannot recover from. NASA has done an amazing job considering the complexity and danger involved in this area of exploration."

I understand and agree, EXCEPT that, who would have ever thought Apollo 13 could have recovered from so MANY problems---all with "SPARE PARTS" engineered out of ordinary and unrelated items?

330 posted on 02/03/2003 8:47:46 AM PST by Concerned
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To: Concerned
It is my understanding that the Soyuz is bringing up supplies to the ISS wihin a day or two---UNMANNED. If so, it seems that it could have brought back three at a time (and might have EMERGENCY SPACE for more). Maybe we should have a BACKUP Shuttle (capable of reaching the ISS, e.g. the Shuttle "sold" to us as mentioned above), ready to go in an EMERGENCY (or one which could could be QUICKLY CONVERTED from a scheduled future mission).

It's not a "Soyuz" bringing supplies it's a "Progress" thats an UNMANNED cargo hauler. Not sure exactly what special equipment is needed to guide it to the ISS, but I am sure it wasn't on the Columbia.

The Columbia is (WAS) the only shuttle that couldn't make the orbit of the ISS. But my understanding is only Atlantis has the proper docking equipment.

Repairing the tiles is not as simple as cut and paste. The process in which the tiles are mounted is a multistep process and not something that can be done. If it were that simple don't you think NASA would have thought of it? Or do you think they don't give a rats ass about the crew and 2 billion in space assets??????

IN aviation as in other areas of life some events ARE NOT SALVAGABLE.
336 posted on 02/03/2003 9:31:21 AM PST by Kozak
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