[Luis Gonzalez]

"The fact that it was witnessed as big and red over Las Vegas."

If I recall the news, the crew was in communication with Houston until 9:00 EST, at which time, I believe they were over North (maybe northeast) Texas, you are claiming that the shuttle was suffering catasthropic events at re-entry without the crew, or ground control noticing it?

Or could it be that the people who reported seeing this in Vegas are caught up in the moment?

"The fact that the left wing was damaged at lift off."

No Todd, that's an assumption. The fact is than on film, something appears to have struck the left wing, then disintegrate. No one knows exactly what that object may have been, and at this point, what damage that may have caused has not been ascertained. We'll have to wait until the results of the investigation to find out.

"The fact someone in Utah saw things breaking off it there and the fact NASA says it heated up in 60 seconds."

Todd, I can have sworn testimony delivered to you from thousands of people from Miami who claim that they saw the face of Jesus in an avocado pit.

Someone in Utah Todd?

I think the largest bit of debris from the shuttle found so far is less than twelve feet long, and not quite as wide. What you offer up as "proof" is that someone in Utah saw details on an object that size, roughly two hundred plus thousand feet above his or her head, traveling in a cloud of smoke at 18 times the speed of sound?

Have you ever seen a vehicle at re-entry? Would you know the difference hbetween a normal re-entry, and a catastropic one if you saw it?

"The fact that a person in California says he saw problems there as it went over."

It was going even faster and higher here, but you have another Hawkeye up for proof.

The shuttle enters the atmosphere surrounded by a fireball, that's why the tiles are in place, to protect the shuttle from the fire.

A big, red ball of fire in the sky to some.

"That is how I base my opinion as a fact as to what happend to this space shuttle.

Do you have any idea of just how incredibly ridiculous that statement is?

[TLBSHOW]

The fact that it was witnessed as big and red over Las Vegas."

If I recall the news, the crew was in communication with Houston until 9:00 EST, at which time, I believe they were over North (maybe northeast) Texas, you are claiming that the shuttle was suffering catasthropic events at re-entry without the crew, or ground control noticing it?

Or could it be that the people who reported seeing this in Vegas are caught up in the moment?

no louis

its here at FR

The Web Gets a Scoop


It's said that journalism is the first draft of history. If so, the Internet sometimes affords us a glimpse at history's rough outline. At 8:38 a.m. EST yesterday, a reader of the Free Republic Web site started a discussion thread for shuttle enthusiasts:

Space Shuttle Columbia is in a decent for the Kennedy Space Center in Florida and will pass over the San Francisco Area around 6:00 AM Pacific Time. Route will take the Shuttle over Las Vegas, Flagstaff, etc. NASA has still not decided which runway will be used. Landing will be at 9:16 AM Eastern.

Other freepers joined in, describing the view of the descending shuttle from the West Coast--then gradually realizing something was amiss. Someone asks at 8:58 a.m. EST, "Was it glowing at all?" The first clear sign of trouble comes in a post at 9:05 a.m. We won't quote any more than this, because you really have to read the full thread to appreciate the drama. But it's worth noting that the first word of trouble didn't come across the Associated Press wire until 9:16, the scheduled landing time. Free Republic scooped the AP by at least 11 minutes--which is an eternity in the competitive world of wire-service reporting.

http://www.opinionjournal.com/best/?id=110003017

[TLBSHOW]

The fact that the left wing was damaged at lift off."

No Todd, that's an assumption. The fact is than on film, something appears to have struck the left wing, then disintegrate. No one knows exactly what that object may have been, and at this point, what damage that may have caused has not been ascertained. We'll have to wait until the results of the investigation to find out.

Its more than an assumption!

[TLBSHOW]

The fact someone in Utah saw things breaking off it there and the fact NASA says it heated up in 60 seconds."

Todd, I can have sworn testimony delivered to you from thousands of people from Miami who claim that they saw the face of Jesus in an avocado pit.

Someone in Utah Todd?

I think the largest bit of debris from the shuttle found so far is less than twelve feet long, and not quite as wide. What you offer up as "proof" is that someone in Utah saw details on an object that size, roughly two hundred plus thousand feet above his or her head, traveling in a cloud of smoke at 18 times the speed of sound?

Have you ever seen a vehicle at re-entry? Would you know the difference hbetween a normal re-entry, and a catastropic one if you saw it?

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ksl tv

His video also shows the space shuttle was having problems as it passed over Utah and that the orbiter was beginning to break up.

http://tv.ksl.com/index.php?sid=8138&nid=8

[TLBSHOW]

"The fact that a person in California says he saw problems there as it went over."

It was going even faster and higher here, but you have another Hawkeye up for proof.

The shuttle enters the atmosphere surrounded by a fireball, that's why the tiles are in place, to protect the shuttle from the fire.

A big, red ball of fire in the sky to some.

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NASA PRESS CONFERENCE TONIGHT NASA VERY INTERESTED

AND SOURCE

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/science/20030201-1203-ca-spaceshuttle-astronomer.html

[TLBSHOW]

"That is how I base my opinion as a fact as to what happend to this space shuttle.

Do you have any idea of just how incredibly ridiculous that statement is?

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THAT COMING FROM THE ISLAM IS PEACE GUY REALLY MAKES ME LAUGH