Astronauts doomed from the start

.heraldsun ^ | 2/3/2003 | PHILLIP COOREY and ANNA COCK

[sonofatpatcher2]

Re: Astronauts doomed from the start

With friends like this, who needs enemies?

[Balata]

No one seems to be even entertaining the hypothesis that a piece of space junk (of thich there is a lot out there) could have struck and fatally damaged the left side of the shuttle while in orbit.

You are right. This is a real possibility that has not been ruled out at this time. Of everything I've seen and read on this unfortunate accident the last two days I have not seen it addressed

[tubebender]

I gather that the large fuel storage tank is just used one time. Didn't they recycle them in the past? Is there any chance they will try to recover this tank?

[TLBSHOW]

You keep saying someone is being blamed. Who is being blamed and please if you say I am blaming anyone over this please show your proof. Thread nanny!

[NJJ]

I can't believe with our technical know how we can't develop a patch of some sort.

It's OK for you to start believing we can't, at least on this vehicle system.

It's unbelievable the forces, loads and temperatures involved. In the conference they said they had no hand holds, etc., on the underside. One reason they don't is that the surface must be absolutely aerodynamically smooth with effectively no steps or gaps between the tiles.

Just like in welding, it's almost impossible to torch through a perfectly flat surface. It is necessary to punch a nick into the surface so that then the heat will be able to collect on the sharp edge (like a burned cookie) and start softening it, then migrate into the base material. Then the torch can then penetrate the metal pool. Likewise, any handhold on the underside would immediately create a hot spot and the thermal protection would burn through, causing a loss of the orbiter.

When you think how smooth these fragile tiles have to be, one has to wonder if an astronaut would do more damage to surrounding tiles (nicks & scratches per the above) than he could fix, if he could fix it.

[TLBSHOW]

I know, its just a story from the Drudge site. Rip the story apart I didn't write it. I did write all the posts after it. That is a fact!

[A Citizen Reporter]

"And they DEMAND that somebody be blamed."

That's the part that really has me steamed. And I believe that I know where that kind of BS is coming from. Funny, ain't it, the libs build a "no-fault" cultural environment in which every criminal has an out for his behavior, and yet......

[Howlin]

You blamed George W. Bush last night. Remember when you went on the internet and found an article saying that Bush had ignored that scientist? And you posted it on about ten threads? And darned if it didn't turn out that the things that man complained about didn't have ONE THING to do with what might have happened in this case; but did that stop you from posting it to smear George Bush? Heck no.

And, then, of course, when people challenged you on that post, you started posting yet ANOTHER article that said Bush had done right by NASA.

See what I mean? You never take a position and stick with it. You'll change your posts depending on whoever comes along and challenges you.

I'm not a thread nanny. That being said, since your main claim to fame all over the internet is "holding people's feet to the fire," I will do the same to you. When you post tripe, I will point it out.

You seem to think you're some sort of FR Paul Revere, "The rats are coming, the rats are coming."

It would help if you decided what YOU believe in -- and I don't mean whatever Ann Coulter or Rush Limbaugh write in their next column -- and stick with the facts to back it up.

[Luis Gonzalez]

"Truth is the problem began at re-entry and was in trouble in California and Arizona and Utah and broke up or exploded over Texas. That is the facts."

Facts?

You have facts that NASA has yet to uncover?

You have facts and have reached a conclusion BEFORE the most sophisticated space agency in the world can get the investigation rolling?

Where do you get your facts?

What equipment and facilities do you have that NASA does not have?

What PROOF do you have to substantiate your "facts"?

The entire weight of the Federal government is directed at finding out what truly happened here, but TLBSHOW has the "facts" already?

BTW, in English, the statement would read "those are the facts", or maybe even "these are the facts".

[MJY1288]

Amen!

[Howlin]

And then call us WEIRD if we don't agree with them.......LOL.

[TLBSHOW]

No I didn't, as was pointed out to you last night. I never blamed President Bush. I know you want it to be that way. But you can't since I never did. LOL

[TLBSHOW]

Thanks!

[Howlin]

You may think you're sly. But when you start posting an article that trashes the Bush administration in the middle of threads that don't have anything to do with it, everybody knows what you're doing.

I have a feeling you go to other sites and claim to have "freeped us good."

[Willie Green]

Crap happens.

Yep. Murphy's Law.
And with equipment as complicated as the shuttle, it's gonna take the experts a long, long time to figure out exactly what.
And there's always the possibility that they might not recover the debris that will allow them to determine the cause with absolute certainty. Frankly, when I stop to think about the enormity of the task, I'm amazed they do as well as they do with "routine" airline crashes.

[Howlin]

Did you read Luis' post to you? Do you comprehend English?

He slammed you "but good," and you thanked him?

Good grief.

[TLBSHOW]

Then post your opinion, take a risk Howlin, what happened to the space shuttle? Why did it make a mess all over Texas.

[Howlin]

Since this is kind of your "field," if you will, dare I even say that two accidents in over thirty years is a good record?

[TLBSHOW]

but TLBSHOW has the "facts" already

Thanks!

[Howlin]

Then post your opinion, take a risk Howlin, what happened to the space shuttle?

Nice diversion, Todd.

Answer Luis' questions.

Where are you FACTS.