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To: IncPen
So, are you fer it, or agin' it?

In a previous life, I used to sell all the neat little thingys that the reaserchers used to "discover" all these genome-type stuff.

I think these discoveries are a gift from above. The veritable "Cat's Ass". So much good can be done.

But, alas, it will be abused. It already is being abused, and the abuse is at the hands of the government. The "good guys".

The same "good guys" who have been granted the almost diety-like powers of deciding what types of natural plants, herbs, and other chemicals us subjects can put inside our bodies. You cheer these people on; I've seen you over there at the WOsD threads.

So, do you honestly think that a "government" that has been granted the ability to "regulate" what you can ingest (for good or bad) doesn't also have the right coerce its' citizens to take a certain drug or submit a DNA sample? It's for the children, you know.

The door has been opened, and a big wedge in the shape of police, government, and a dozen other concerns that make money and are empowered by the loss of your 4th Amendment rights, are keeping the door from closing again. You can't even get a decent job without submitting to a piss-test, for God's sake.

There aint no free lunch, and you always get what you deserve. Maybe a light has turned on somewhere....

Oh, and my thoughts exactley re: Warren Zevon
21 posted on 02/02/2003 3:52:50 PM PST by motzman ((NJ Republican))
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To: motzman
I'm squarely against mandatory DNA fingerprinting. The idea itself is laughable; It flies in the face of the first, fouth and fifth amendments, and probably some more. Can a government that can't track a few thousand illegals really track DNA on every citizen?

I agree that these things are a gift from above, but I also believe that gifts from above, left to the devices of man, are frequently squandered.

Do I care what you put in your body? No. But I do care and should have a say if your behavior will negatively affect me and mine.

You can't even get a decent job without submitting to a piss-test, for God's sake.

The government is not mandating this. It's the corporations, to shield themselves from liability, and to ensure that they have a healthy workforce. Contrary to what Mr LR says, his use will skew my insurance pool. If he's not weeded out for drug use I pay a penalty in higher premiums, thus subsidizing his use. He will likely suffer job injury, or cause it in someone else; He will be a less productive employee, my stock will suffer. Duh.

The thing about Mr LR's WOD threads is that they're all the same. The guy has one purpose in life, it seems, and it's all pro-dope, all the time. His arguments are dishonest; he keeps moving the end zone and pooh-poohing points that make him look like a nutball, demanding proof of my view when 15 seconds with Google will disprove him point for point.

That's why I don't bother going back. Drop a few zingers, let him rip with some falsehoods and move on.

"OK, Mr LR, we're all wrong and you're the only smart one here. Let's stop the WOD and let the floodgates open. Now what?"

If he's so damn sure, why doesn't he run for office on the platform? We'll see how far he gets. Here he gets a forum, anywhere else he's 'Lunatic Fringe'.

You know what? I've formed my point of view from talking with family members and friends on all sides of the argument (addiction and treatment, recreational and criminal use and abuse, doctors, prosecutors, counselors). More importantly, I've buried friends and family who had the same arrogance Mr LR has. In the real world, Mr LR's views have no merit.

My main problem with the WOD people is that they won't admit what they know to be common sense and what is right before their very eyes. They're fixated on an academic point of law and are willing- nay, determined- to throw the whole society overboard in pursuit of it.

Geez. Get a life. There are other things going on in the world.

I don't cheer the WOD. Far from it.

It is with grim observation that I conclude the alternative is worse.

And the rest of you, before you reply, put the bong down. This is NOT a pro-dope thread. I repeat: This is NOT a pro-dope thread.

34 posted on 02/02/2003 7:12:19 PM PST by IncPen ( Every bite of every sandwich is important - Warren Zevon, on his terminal cancer diagnosis)
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