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Molecular clocks generally have to be in areas neutral to selection pressures.

What a bunch of garbage! You make this stuff out of thin air totally thoughtlessly. How do you know if an animal - and all its descendants for the last 200-300 million years has lived in such a place?????????????

In fact, how do you know if any particular place has been neutral to selection pressures for hundreds of millions of years? (note that other species also exert selective pressure so you would need to know all the species in the area for hundreds of millions of years, their intereactions, etc to be sure that you had such a site). In other words Vade - you are totally full of it.

Is molecular clock data valid or isn't it? You cited them to me. If you're going to cite them to me, you might as well learn what you're talking about. I'm not making any of it up. Read more here. Pay particular attention to the explanations of cytochrome c, as it's exactly the kind of clock used where the older divergences are measured.

And, stop babbling!

Oh? You don’t do metaphysics?

Excellent post, Betty. I've always been astonished-- and continue to be-- at how the mind can accept utterly contradictory propositions with comfort. I can understand why the materialist avoids ontology if for no other reason than the metaphysical problem of cause and effect. But it is one thing to reject metaphysics entirely and another to reject it when problematic yet embrace it when convenient. The love/hate relationship with metaphysics turns out not only be the sword which pierces the heart of materialism but the armor with which it is defended.

There also seems to be (please correct me if I'm mistaken) a correlation between the suppression of criticism of evolution in state high schools and colleges and the elimination of logic as either a course in itself or as an element in the introduction to philosophy.

294 posted on 02/01/2003 1:15 AM PST by Dataman

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Trained circus seals - - - evo indoctrination // smelt !