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To: Burkeman1
There is no doubt about it. Darwinism was instremental in the development of Nihilism which lead to both Fascism and Communism.

To be precise, Darwinism contributed to Fascism or National Socialism. Marxism has older roots - paradoxically based in the free market ideology of England in early XIXc (which could be inspiration for Darwin), French socialist ideas and German philosophy until Hegel.

72 posted on 02/02/2003 7:40:54 AM PST by A. Pole
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To: A. Pole
To be precise, Darwinism contributed to Fascism or National Socialism.

To be even more precise:

For it was by the Will of God that men were made of a certain bodily shape, were given their natures and their faculties. Whoever destroys His work wages war against God's Creation and God's Will.
-- Adolph Hitler, creationist
Source: Book 2, Chapter 10, Mein Kampf by Adolf Hitler.
Discussed at Adolf Hitler's Religion.
73 posted on 02/02/2003 8:28:15 AM PST by PatrickHenry (Preserve the purity of your precious bodily fluids!)
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To: A. Pole
To be precise, Darwinism contributed to Fascism or National Socialism. Marxism has older roots - paradoxically based in the free market ideology of England in early XIXc (which could be inspiration for Darwin), French socialist ideas and German philosophy until Hegel.
To be more precise (IMO), Naziism, Fascism & Marxism all came from explicitly Hegelian roots...
The direct source of the Nazi racial ideas was the theoreticians of racism.... These men accepted wholeheartedly the collectivist sentiment of the period's intellectuals, and then sought to gain for that sentiment the appearance of scientific support - by translating collectivism into the language of the favorite science of the time, biology. The result was a mounting torrent on the following order (from Vacher de Lapouge, a nineteenth-century French Aryan-glorifier): "The blood which one has in one's veins at birth one keeps all one's life. The individual is stifled by his race and is nothing. The race, the nation, is all." No amount of passion for biology (or for Darwin) could produce such an utterance. A dose of Hegel, however, could.

What the theoreticians of racism did was to secularize the Hegelian approach, as Karl Popper explains eloquently. Marx, he observes:

replaced Hegel's "Spirit" by matter, and by material and economic interests. In the same way, racialism substitutes for Hegel's "Spirit" something material, the quasi-biological conception of Blood or Race. Instead of "Spirit," Blood is the self-developing essence; instead of "Spirit," Blood is the Sovereign of the world, and displays itself on the Stage of History; and instead of "Spirit," the Blood of a nation determines its essential destiny.

The transubstantiation of Hegelianism into racialism or of Spirit into Blood does not greatly alter the main tendency of Hegelianism. It only gives it a tinge of biology and of modern evolutionism. [Karl Popper, 1962, The Open Society and its Enemies]

[Leonard Peikoff, 1982, The Ominous Parallels, pp 34-35.]

97 posted on 02/03/2003 2:38:18 AM PST by jennyp (http://crevo.bestmessageboard.com)
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To: A. Pole
Yes- correct. Marxism has older roots than Fascism.
99 posted on 02/04/2003 5:11:05 PM PST by Burkeman1
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