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To: jennyp
But with time & natural selection you would get something meaningful.

No you would not. There are supposedly some 10 million years of mutations separating man from chimps. Chimps and men differ by some 5% of their DNA (the evolutionist 1% has been proven wrong by the same man who originally made the statement). Since chimps and men have about 3 billion DNA base pairs that 5% represents some 150,000,000 favorable mutations in those ten million years. Since with all our science, all our billions in research on DNA for decades have not shown a single favorable mutation has ever happened, I think that your statement is absolutely wrong scientifically - just as evolution is completely wrong scientifically.

18 posted on 02/01/2003 8:18:55 PM PST by gore3000 (Evolution is whatever lie you want it to be!)
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To: gore3000
There are supposedly some 10 million years of mutations separating man from chimps. Chimps and men differ by some 5% of their DNA (the evolutionist 1% has been proven wrong by the same man who originally made the statement). Since chimps and men have about 3 billion DNA base pairs that 5% represents some 150,000,000 favorable mutations in those ten million years. Since with all our science, all our billions in research on DNA for decades have not shown a single favorable mutation has ever happened, I think that your statement is absolutely wrong scientifically

Stop trying to use numbers to test their ideas. It makes them furious. All other branches of science use mathematical analysis to support their conclusions, but the rules are different for evolution. For an evolutionist the standard of proof is:

"If I can imagine a way it MIGHT have happened, then you must believe the it DID happen that way, or you are a willfully ignorant bible-thumping idiot. PS- Once the way I imagined that it might have happened gets nullified by further observations, you must then believe that the next thing I imagine is the way it did happen- or else you once again are a willfully ignorant, bible thumping idiot.

20 posted on 02/01/2003 8:42:44 PM PST by Ahban
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To: gore3000; Nebullis
There are supposedly some 10 million years of mutations separating man from chimps. Chimps and men differ by some 5% of their DNA (the evolutionist 1% has been proven wrong by the same man who originally made the statement).
BZZZZZT! It's more like 1.4% where it counts - in the genes themselves:
The new estimate could be a little misleading, said Saitou Naruya, an evolutionary geneticist at the National Institute of Genetics in Mishima, Japan. "There is no consensus about how to count numbers or proportion of nucleotide insertions and deletions," he said.

Indels are common in the non-functional sections of the genome, said Peter Oefner, a researcher at Stanford's Genome Technology Center in Palo Alto, California. Scientists estimate that up to 97 percent of DNA in the human genome has no known function. However, he added, indels are extremely rare in gene sequences.

"We haven't observed a single indel in a [gene] to date between human and chimp," said Oefner. Therefore, the revised estimate doesn't alter the amount of DNA that holds information about our species. Humans and chimps still differ by about one percent in gene sequences, he said.

Besides, IIRC his method of counting insertions & deletions would treat a 100 base pair insertion as 100 mutations. Nebullis, do you remember if this is true?
Since chimps and men have about 3 billion DNA base pairs that 5% represents some 150,000,000 favorable mutations in those ten million years. Since with all our science, all our billions in research on DNA for decades have not shown a single favorable mutation has ever happened, I think that your statement is absolutely wrong scientifically - just as evolution is completely wrong scientifically.
Plugging in the correct numbers & assumptions:
Since chimps and men have about 3 billion 90 million gene-encoding DNA base pairs that 5% 1.4% represents some 150,000,000 14,000 neutral or favorable mutations in those ten million years.

27 posted on 02/03/2003 1:55:21 AM PST by jennyp (http://crevo.bestmessageboard.com)
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