[MHGinTN]

Actually, the human conceptus is in the species of humans, not some other species then suddenly upon arriving at a specific cellular accumulation, instantly into the human species. In logical flow, species designation comes first, then ages of a member of the species, based on form and function.

[GSWarrior]

I'm something of a layman about this subject, as are most of us, but I guess I fall into the "it's creepy" side of the issue.

Are clones to be granted the same rights as womb-ers?

[jennyp]

Actually, the human conceptus is in the species of humans, not some other species then suddenly upon arriving at a specific cellular accumulation, instantly into the human species. In logical flow, species designation comes first, then ages of a member of the species, based on form and function.

I see your point, but so what? If I remove a cell from my body, it's a human cell. So...?

An embryo is a human embryo. But it's still just an embryo! Likewise a person whose brain has stopped functioning for the last time is a human cadaver. But the human person doesn't exist anymore.

[snowstorm12]

Actually, the human conceptus is in the species of humans, not some other species then suddenly upon arriving at a specific cellular accumulation, instantly into the human species. In logical flow, species designation comes first, then ages of a member of the species, based on form and function.

I think most people agree that a fetus/zygote or whatever is definately human life, so is an individual sperm and egg. What everyone can't agree on is at what point does that potential to become a human being/person suddenly become a human being/person actualized to be deserving of human rights. I say at the start of the third trimester or viability, before 24 weeks the lungs aren't developed, even with the greatest artificial breathing machine ever created, it wouldn't survive. It has also devolped the complex linking of nuerons and has the ability to think. Fetal thinking comes even later than a developed lung.