[MHGinTN]

"... one cannot inflict force or fraud against that which cannot take exception to said force or fraud." Please, you can do better than that, surely! Too many contradictions are immediately evident that refute that hollow assertion, as inhumane. Is that what a 'true libertarian' professes?

[realpatriot71]

From #155 "Simply put, one cannot make a creature's life good or bad, better or worse unless that creature is capable of experiencing and, in particular, capable of experiencing pleasure, satisfaction, happiness, pain, dissatisfaction, or anguish. One cannot help or harm another creature unless that creature is capable of help or harm, capable of having experiences consonant with help or harm. Clearly, a creature that has no experiences is not capable of having experiences consonant with helping or harming the creature. If the creature is destroyed before it becomes sentient, appeal to the better or worse condition of its future experiences is irrelevant. Hence, one cannot have moral obligations to a being that is not sentient and will not become sentient and, thereby, such a being cannot have moral rights."

This is my position. I ask you again how many persons do you know who are NOT sentient?