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National Council of Churches leader reflects on "State of the Union": "Tax Cuts for Millionaires"
National Council of Churches ^ | 1/28/03 | Bob Edgar

Posted on 01/30/2003 7:10:03 AM PST by Dr. Scarpetta

"The President didn’t say it, but the country knows it: The union is in a state of great uneasiness. Many people are uncomfortable with a national priority that provides major tax cuts for millionaires and pays for them with funds that ought to go to help children without health care insurance, children who can’t get into Head Start, children whose families live on the edge all the time.

"Other Americans wonder why the President insists on escalating the national debt, saddling their children and grandchildren with an obligation that threatens the well-being of generations to come, just so a relative handful of wealthy Americans can add to their list of luxuries.

"The creation of a national department for homeland security does little for our sense of safety when the President fails to fund its budget, and when local communities cannot adequately fund their police, firefighters and hospitals.

"We should all be concerned about the tone of the President’s war rhetoric. Americans are right to be uneasy about the morality of a pre-emptive American invasion that, even with extreme care on our part, could kill a staggering number of innocent civilians.

The World Health Organization estimates that as many as half a million casualties would result from such a war, and UNICEF warns that 3 million people would be threatened with starvation.

"Just as unsettling, a unilateral American assault on Iraq would surely trigger a massive growth in anti-American terrorism that would make our homeland far less secure.

Counting those costs, our common sense tells us there must be a better way than war. Our faith compels us to search for that better way. "


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To: Dr. Scarpetta
Funny in my reading of the Bible I can remember calls for charity but I can't remember Christ telling people to urge Caesar to provide for all their needs.

When did Churches stop being charities and merely start advocating for more government charity?

21 posted on 01/30/2003 7:49:29 AM PST by Straight Vermonter
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To: Brad Cloven
Doesn't separation of Church and State mean the Council of Churches should tend to souls, not tax bills?

Dream on. The clergy of most mainline Protestant Churches are so left wing they make the Democrats look reasonable. What is so galling is their congregations tend to be well to the right of the political spectrum. They are still trying to figure out why their numbers are rapidly declining.

22 posted on 01/30/2003 7:50:01 AM PST by Timocrat
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To: Dr. Scarpetta
NCC: "Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah and blah blah blah...and don't forget blah blah blah blah blah...the consequenses blah blah blah blah evil America blah blah blah blah blah death and destruction blah blah blah blah fire and brimstone blah blah blah blah blah declare peace blah blah blah blah blah war never solved anything blah blah blah blah..."

The NCC spews enough crap, but they don't really say anything.

23 posted on 01/30/2003 7:59:11 AM PST by Luna
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To: LiteKeeper
Liberal Democrats just don't get it

Oh, they get it, but the emotions (greed and envy) that drive the 9 lowest income men are the meat and potatoes of liberalism. Greed and envy are what drives Democratic voters to vote for Marxist candidates.

These same candidates then proceed to kill the goose that lays the golden eggs by taxing the hard working and enterprising citizens into poverty, but the Democrats don't care; they are not empowered by wealth and high standards of living. They are empowered by poverty, laziness, envy, greed, and dependency. So to stay in power they do what generates the most poverty, laziness, envy, greed, and dependency. It ain't a pretty picture.

24 posted on 01/30/2003 8:09:21 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your enemy, and Bush is no conservative)
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To: Dr. Scarpetta
These same churches live off the donations of millionaires.
25 posted on 01/30/2003 8:10:41 AM PST by AppyPappy (Will Code COBOL For Food)
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To: AppyPappy
Yes they do live off the donations of rich people, and the money left to them in wills. The problem is that young people are not joining. The days are numbered for the National Council of Churches and the Mainline churches.
26 posted on 01/30/2003 8:21:01 AM PST by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: Dr. Scarpetta
"Many people are uncomfortable with a national priority that provides major tax cuts for millionaires...."

I've never seen any of these NCC types turn down a gift from one of these eeeeeeevil millionaires!

27 posted on 01/30/2003 8:30:40 AM PST by nightdriver
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To: Dr. Scarpetta
They're reading from Democrat talking points.

Of course, they are reading from the RAT talking points, Bob Edgar is a former liberal RAT congressman from Pennsylvania.

28 posted on 01/30/2003 8:34:02 AM PST by writmeister
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To: LiteKeeper
#19: An explanation even a Democrat should be abele to understand.

BUMPmarked.

29 posted on 01/30/2003 8:42:15 AM PST by LTCJ (But I don't think for a minute that they really will.)
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To: Dr. Scarpetta
The last gasps of a dying organization. This just appeared this morning.

The Layman Online
Thursday, January 30, 2003

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The National Council of Churches wants to weave a coat of many more theological colors to stretch its shrinking wardrobe beyond mainline Protestantism.

Meeting in El Paso on Wednesday, the steering committee for the fledgling effort, tentatively called Christian Churches Together in the U.S.A., decided to invite a wide range of church bodies over the next several weeks to join the movement. If the membership campaign succeeds, the group would become the successor of the NCC.

While it is ostensibly broadly ecumenical, Christian Churches Together also is an attempt by the National Council of Churches to shore up its sagging revenues and, perhaps, rescue it from pending bankruptcy. Since auditors revealed in 1999 that the NCC had plunged deeply into deficit spending, the organization has been whittled down to one-fourth of its size and has lost one of its principal funding sources, Church World Service.

Church World Service, a widely supported ministry of financial, food and instructional aid, is now independent.

In El Paso, the steering committee of church representatives from 30 denominations, principally the NCC constituency, decided to invite others to join an alliance that would represent five segments of U.S. Christianity: evangelical/Protestant, historic Protestant, Orthodox, racial/ethnic and Roman Catholic. The Catholic church and most evangelical and Pentecostal denominations have shunned membership in the NCC because of its emphasis on social and political activism.

That has not changed. Within hours after President George W. Bush delivered his State of the Union speech Tuesday, Robert Edgar, a former Democratic congressman and now the general secretary of the NCC, published a blistering attack of Bush's domestic and international agenda on the NCC Web site.

The Presbyterian Church (USA) and the United Methodist Church are the two major contributors to the NCC. Despite its declining revenues and the need to trim the 2003 budget by nearly $1.53 million, the PCUSA has not reduced its commitment to the NCC – about $500,000 in cash and an unknown amount in the value of staff and other services. PCUSA Stated Clerk Clifton Kirkpatrick has been a strong advocate of PCUSA support for the NCC.

Thirty church representatives, including Kirkpatrick, announced the plans for Christian Churches Together in April 2002.

I don't suppose I have to tell you how much it pains me to have to reveal that the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) is one of the largest contributors to the NCC.

30 posted on 01/30/2003 8:49:52 AM PST by logos
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To: logos
United Methodist Church ... major contributors to the NCC

The UMC is quite the socialist organization. Here are some quotes from their own web site

Just a few of the many reasons not to contribute to your local branch of the UMC
31 posted on 01/30/2003 9:23:12 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your enemy, and Bush is no conservative)
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To: Dr. Scarpetta
Reading from? They wrote the DNC talking points!

Remember Elian and their involvement in that?!

32 posted on 01/30/2003 9:27:44 AM PST by lonestar
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To: Dr. Scarpetta
Don't let yourselves be swayed by the title "National Council of Churches"

This is the same organization that led a UN sponsored Geneva get together last year of the world's religions. They had the Hugging Princess (India) Shaman's, Smoke God Worshipers and anything else you can name as invitees.

However the "Christian" female leader, formerly head of the NCC - said they directly decided NOT to include any Christian Evangelists as their beliefs were 'not open to this kind of gathering'.

In other words, a 'Christian' leader was saying that Jesus Christ was not wanted because He excludes other religions - ie does not allow for others to join in together touchy-feely.

The reporter asking her questions was incredulous that she even called herself a Christian.
33 posted on 01/30/2003 9:33:13 AM PST by txzman (Jer 23:29)
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To: Dr. Scarpetta
SEE...SEE...GOD says everyone has to pay more taxes!!!
34 posted on 01/30/2003 10:01:09 AM PST by martin gibson
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To: logos
Thanks for posting the article from "The Layman." Very interesting. I know the church we belong to now (Wesleyan) would never join the NCC.

Our daughter is getting married in Nov. in our old Presbyterian church. She has an attachment to it, and my mother still goes there. As I told you before, I resented leaving that beautiful old church, but it actually left us.
35 posted on 01/30/2003 2:16:07 PM PST by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: writmeister
Of course, they are reading from the RAT talking points, Bob Edgar is a former liberal RAT congressman from Pennsylvania.

WHERE in Penna? (I live there)

36 posted on 01/30/2003 2:28:26 PM PST by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: lonestar
Remember Elian and their involvement in that?!

Now that you mention it, I do.

37 posted on 01/30/2003 2:29:58 PM PST by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: Dr. Scarpetta
Thanks, Dr. Scarpetta for posting this. I want every Freeper that may attend one of these left-wing churches understands what they're supporting.

I saw the light 10 years ago and walked away from the ELCA.

Unfortunately, most of my family still attends. They probably think I'm a right-wing nutcase. Actually, this is not true. Some know the truth and think I'm right but just haven't been able to make the break. Old habits are hard to break.

38 posted on 01/31/2003 11:54:52 AM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Dr. Scarpetta
It's always fascinating to see what this communist front group will come out with next.
39 posted on 01/31/2003 11:58:30 AM PST by Dr. Frank fan
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma
I saw the light 10 years ago and walked away from the ELCA. Unfortunately, most of my family still attends. They probably think I'm a right-wing nutcase. Actually, this is not true. Some know the truth and think I'm right but just haven't been able to make the break. Old habits are hard to break.

I had the same exact situation as you did when I felt I had no choice but to leave the church. I now go to a conservative pro-life church where the pastor actually prays for the president.

40 posted on 01/31/2003 7:40:39 PM PST by Dr. Scarpetta
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