Posted on 01/29/2003 1:44:04 PM PST by yonif
Do you know how many coup attempts have been made against Hussein in the last few years? Estimated to be around 18, IIRC. If you're talking about the "people" of Iraq staging a revolution, what exactly would you have them fight with? Rocks? Considering the level of infiltration that his secret police have into the society, the rebels would be dead before they could even pick UP the damn rocks...
It doesn't matter. Iraq's support of terrorism is more than enough reason to invade whether their people deserve to be liberated or not.
Although it does seem like many of their people are ready for the change. Most of them were unwilling to fight for Saddam last time. I hope you have underestimated them.
Actually, sane Muslims don't consider those COUNTRIES holy ground. Sane Muslims do, however, consider Mecca, Medina, Qom, etc. to be "holy." Are we "occupying" those places?
Are we not using saddams support of al Qudea as one reason(sp) to go to war with him?
Sure, we seem to be, but as one of the reasons. Why is this relevant to your assertion that the terrorists were justified in what they did to us?
And what about the civilians who died when we bombed baghadad?
What about them? Saddam Hussein killed those few that did die in GWI when he chose to invade, pillage and occupy one of his neighbors. Those few civilians who died by our munitions were casualties of a war started by Hussein. Trust me, if we wanted to kill every person in Iraq, we could without even breaking a sweat.
Why? You don't believe in inalienable rights and government of the people, by the people, and for the people? If you believe in it, then it apllies to ALL people in all countries.
Our goal should be 180 sovereign America's trading freely with one another.
No, actually the colonists were comparitively equipped and were expert hunters that used unconventional tactics to their advantage.
Why should we fight and die when they aren't even willing to try?
Again, they wouldn't even get the CHANCE to try and they know it. Throwing away your life without even the slightest chance of ultimate victory isn't noble; it's patently stupid.
Your argument supports my assertion that they need our help if they are to be free of Saddam.
Your quote in post 22 wasn't me, that was from "somthincool".
My position is in-between you two. Yes a humanitarian disaster can be a reason for us to invade. But no, we shouldn't invade every dictatorship.
God said that He is responsible for the governments. There are times that the situation demands and God expects us to use our might to liberate people. But there are other times when God has instituted the form of Government that He wants for that people at that time. And it's vain to think that we should liberate every country that is under a repressive dictator.
I believe you have to seek God's guidance in each and every case. There is no magic formula that says a humanitarian crisis of 1 or 1,000,000 is enough to justify us going in.
In Saddam's case, it's easy. Because of his support for international terrorism, you don't even have to consider the humanitarian crisis. We have sufficient justification without that.
Now perhaps you can make a case that we should have considered the humanitarian situation and gone in a long time ago. But I don't think it was that clearcut, that that was the right thing to do.
I believe in inalienable rights. I believe government by the people is the best form of government. I do not believe that government by the people is an inalienable right. God has been known to take that right away.
See post 51 also.
"As far as humanitarin aid goes, what about the people starving in OUR country?" People who starve in our country as opposed to Iraq's people is different. People who starve here were not put in that place by our government, they did it to themselves. In Iraq its the opposite.
He needs overthrowing because he represents a potential danger, in much the same way that Hitler presented a potential danger in the '30s. His own people are too weak to overthrow him. His neighbors are too weak to do it. Europe is too irresolute to do it.
Somebody's got to do it, and it sure looks like it's up to us.
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