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To: rmlew
That's silly. Christians have been killing Jews for Millenia, often under the direct authority of religious leaders. Try again. The Slavophiles were Orthodox Christians.

You mean like the way Jews were killing Christians, when Christians were the minority? Maybe you are familiar with the history of St. Paul when he was Saul?

As for Communism, first off, early on, certain ethnic groups were primary targets, like Cossaks.

But I'd accept your arguement: Soviet Communists killed off people in horrendous numbers. However, the defining factor of communism is not nationalism, much less a particular nationalism. Communism is universalist.

if it wasn't a total reversal of your earlier claims that Jews were the primary or out of proportion targets...so which is it? Can't have it both ways.

As for the Nazies, they killed off quite a bit of their Prussian Aristocracy while they were at it too.

88 posted on 02/04/2003 7:11:31 PM PST by Stavka2 (Setting the record.)
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To: Stavka2; xzins; fortheDeclaration; Alamo-Girl; Commander8; RaceBannon
UR#88).........................BTTT

Circles of Socialism!

Iraq too!

:-(

89 posted on 02/04/2003 8:20:41 PM PST by maestro
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To: Stavka2
You mean like the way Jews were killing Christians, when Christians were the minority? Maybe you are familiar with the history of St. Paul when he was Saul?

This was internescene warfare among Jews promoted by the Romans.
You had Saducces against Essenes against Pharasees and finally this splinter from Essenes that celebrated Joshua son of Joseph as either the Messiah or the son of God.

To be blunt, Christians were persecuted (but hardly alone in this) for 60 years. Compare that to 1700+ years of anti-Jewish policies under Christians.

As for Communism, first off, early on, certain ethnic groups were primary targets, like Cossaks.

Please include (and this is incomplete) the Ruthenians, Karelian Finns, Kalmyks, Krimchaks, Volga Germans, and Crimean Tatars (including the Jewish Karaylar).

But I'd accept your arguement: "Soviet Communists killed off people in horrendous numbers. However, the defining factor of communism is not nationalism, much less a particular nationalism. Communism is universalist."

The ideology was universalist. However, the communist leadership saw many minorities as enemies and persecuted them in excess to the general populations. Look at the deportations to Siberia of entire ethnic groups.

As for the Nazies, they killed off quite a bit of their Prussian Aristocracy while they were at it too.
The Prussian Aristocracy, being an artifact of the Second Reich, was a threat to them.
Most of the German officers involved in coup and assasination attempts were Junkers.

94 posted on 02/05/2003 5:09:44 PM PST by rmlew
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