Posted on 01/27/2003 3:10:30 PM PST by Ivan the Terrible
As for Christianity, it formerly split when the Apostale James was murdered by a mob in Jerusalem.
That is one of the most ignorant statements I've ever heard. You don't loose your ethnicity by changing religion, your DNA doesn't magically change.
. And for the record, half the people killed in the concentration camps by the Nazies were Christians, mostly Poles.
1/9 Christian Poles died. 2/3 of European Jews were killed. That is a huge difference.
. Jews have suffered, but to say they have some kind of monopoly on being persecuted and are innocent of persecution is ludicrous to the extreme
I have never claimed this.
Certainly the Roma/Gypsies suffered a similar fate.
Hebrews treated the minority Semaritans....who were also Jewish by religion.
Samaritans are not Jews by religion. They are followers of a closely related sect that began diverging in the 10th Century BCE, after the United Kingdom split into the Northern and Southern Kingdoms. The North, dominated by the tribe of Ephraim began to change the common religion in ways influenced by neighboring Semetic religions.
Many from the Northern Kingdom fled to Judah after the Assyrians invaded.
Some picked up Jewish customs. Others kept their own. After the Babylonians exiled most citizens of the Southern Kingdom, the remaining Ephraimites and Judeans intermarried with settling Babylonians and a new cult emmerged with different sacred places, differet rituals, and a different name for God.
When the Jews returned from Babylonian exile, they found this new sect occupying much of the land. This was the cause of much hostility as both claimed to be the correct religion.
At any rate, Jews persecuted Samaritans rarely and only between 600BCE and 70 CE. Thereafter, Jews adn Samaritans made common cause against the Romans and Hellenistic colonizers. They were united int eh Bar Kokhba revolt of 135-136 and many more until the last one in 617CE.
Today, thanks to Byzantine Christian and Muslim subjugation, there are fewer than 10,000 Samaritans. They are not persecuted in Israel, but are persecuted by the Palestinians.
Naziism is a particularist nationalist socialism. Instead of class warfare, tehre was ethnic warfare. Being German or Non-German was the defining issue.
Thus the ethnic heritage, which the communist gave up, is irrelevent. On the other hand, the ethnic heritage, which the Nazi extolled is relevant.
I'm sorry taht you are blind to the differences between class, race, adn religion.
How about this, all those who killed Jews in Russia during Pogroms weren't Russians since Russians are Christian and murder is against the teachings of Christ.
That's silly. Christians have been killing Jews for Millenia, often under the direct authority of religious leaders. Try again.
The Slavophiles were Orthodox Christians.
You mean like the way Jews were killing Christians, when Christians were the minority? Maybe you are familiar with the history of St. Paul when he was Saul?
As for Communism, first off, early on, certain ethnic groups were primary targets, like Cossaks.
But I'd accept your arguement: Soviet Communists killed off people in horrendous numbers. However, the defining factor of communism is not nationalism, much less a particular nationalism. Communism is universalist.
if it wasn't a total reversal of your earlier claims that Jews were the primary or out of proportion targets...so which is it? Can't have it both ways.
As for the Nazies, they killed off quite a bit of their Prussian Aristocracy while they were at it too.
Circles of Socialism!
Iraq too!
:-(
Right....
Most Russian Jews were just feeding old Uncle Joes alligator, hoping it ate them last. It did.
As far as any of the Gulags being 'cushy', well that's just insane. Some may have been worse than others, but none of them were 'cushy' by any stretch of the imagination.
Me thinks thou dost protest too much.
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As for Communism, first off, early on, certain ethnic groups were primary targets, like Cossaks.
Please include (and this is incomplete) the Ruthenians, Karelian Finns, Kalmyks, Krimchaks, Volga Germans, and Crimean Tatars (including the Jewish Karaylar).
But I'd accept your arguement: "Soviet Communists killed off people in horrendous numbers. However, the defining factor of communism is not nationalism, much less a particular nationalism. Communism is universalist."
The ideology was universalist. However, the communist leadership saw many minorities as enemies and persecuted them in excess to the general populations. Look at the deportations to Siberia of entire ethnic groups.
As for the Nazies, they killed off quite a bit of their Prussian Aristocracy while they were at it too.
The Prussian Aristocracy, being an artifact of the Second Reich, was a threat to them.
Most of the German officers involved in coup and assasination attempts were Junkers.
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