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To: stanz
Evolution tries to explain our existance......as they teach it in schools...ie, the Big Bang Theory, etc. But, we will have to agree to disagree on this matter.

I have to disagree also....with your reference to the 10 commandments, etc......for what do you base your morality on? Your rule of law? Warm fuzzies don't cut it for the vast majority. Remember the Menendez brothers? They were brought up in a very nice home with good parents that taught them well. You leave a key component out with your theory here.... and that's EVIL. Can't get around it. There are just willingly bad people in this world. Society has an obligation to set forth principles (Biblical in our case) to keep these little monsters in check.

If we didn't have these laws derived from our Judeo Christian heritage to teach to your children...you'd be teaching some other rule of law you LEARNED. No way around it. It doesn't happen by osmosis. If you inherently "know" right and wrong....why did you have to go to school or taught by your parents? Why didn't you just "know" everything by instinct?

Your morality is more than a personal issue....because it affects your family, neighbors and community....more than you obviously know. You cannot be an island my friend. It may be alright to run around naked at home because you believe in nudity....but try that in public where little kids can see you.....then tell me your morality is a personal issue. We're all accountable to someone...like it or not.

We all sin.....even those with collars. I try my best to follow the Word....but I'm not perfect......and neither are you. (start pointing fingers and look at the three pointing back at you) Ministers are teachers.....not God incarnate.....(tho some would like you to believe they are....as well as some politicians I know)

You have a very skewed concept of worship. I suggest you take some time to delve into what that really means. It's not just bowing to a set of beliefs or a person....or some mystical mumbo jumbo. Some people worship themselves....others worship money or their status....their conceived intelligence, their job... etc, etc, etc. It's where your heart is.....and what you esteem greatly or put above everything else in your life.

28 posted on 01/29/2003 2:30:29 PM PST by LaineyDee
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To: LaineyDee
Evolution serves to explain the proliferation of species on the planet. It does not concern itself with the Big Bang. That is a topic for how life originated on Earth, not how humans and other life forms developed.
I don't base my morality on what it says in the Bible. Basically, I encourage people to be themselves as long as it does not cause harm to others. Actually I couldn't give a rat's ass about the majority. The Menendez brothers from what I recall, were selfish, indulged kids who figured their lives would be great if they removed the one obstacle preventing them from partying around the clock - - their parents. Unfortunately for them and their parents, they thought they could pull it off and accuse the parents of abuse. I don't know whether there was, in fact, abuse. Bad judgement. They're paying the price.
You keep on referring to the Judeo-Christian ethic being at the bottom of all morality. Well, the ancient Egyptians practiced the same moral codes and tried to instill fear into law-breakers in the same way. Evil or stubborn offenders have always existed. So has love, reverence, honor and respect. It existed in ancient Egypt and there wasn't one monolithic god there to teach about it. It's inherent in human nature to love just as it is to be cruel or vicious. You attribute it to Jesus Christ. I attribute it to evolution.
Anyway,When I said morality was a personal issue, I meant that it's personal to every person. Of course, my morality or lack of it affects my loved ones and those around me. But, I am not accountable to anyone but myself for my successes or failures. That's plain and simple. I don't want to go to jail, so I don't commit crimes.
What I despise most are people of "the cloth" telling me what I should or shouldn't do because of some distorted view of reality...especially when those people are "closet sinners." Do as I say, but don't do as I do. It's all a crock. And, the Catholic church not only tries to tell you how to live, they want to charge you for it. I would rather deal with felons than hypocrites.
Worship is holding something in reverence. It uses whatever the object of the devotion to guide the worshipper along a given path. Christians worship Jesus. Muslims worship Allah and so forth. I guess if I were to consider worshipping anything, it would be cheesecake, but we all know that's not good for your arteries.
Finally, what I value most is my freedom. It's not some job or any material possessions. It's not answering to anyone and being able to sit quietly when I want to or to do nothing at all. I don't find anything especially moving in coming home to a quiet apartment, but I value it. It's not worship and I don't try to convince anyone else to do it. What I enjoy, I enjoy without trying to drag anyone else along. So, skewed as you think my concept of worship is, it works for me and I'm content. Some people worship God, others seek Nirvana, others meditate. Whatever turns you on.
29 posted on 01/29/2003 3:33:12 PM PST by stanz
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