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To: stanz
It is not a belief system.

Yea....it is. Look it up.

I don't believe in anything spiritual.

Didn't say anything about spirituality.

I gauge my actions by the fact that people are all human and deserve to be treated fairly. When I'm not treated fairly. I reciprocate. That's not Christian teaching, that's innate evolutionary behavior. Just observe chimpanzees in the wild.

So....you're an animal with "instincts". *chuckle* I'm sorry....I don't "believe" in the "theory" or the "religion" of evolution. (this could be an all nighter) Why are there still chimpanzees? What happened to their evolutionary processes?

We support and defend this country's principles and the rights that were handed down in the Constitution.

So you support the Judeo-Christian heritage that this country was founded on.....but you don't believe in it? I'm so confused! Why would you fight to defend something you don't believe in?

19 posted on 01/28/2003 10:52:35 AM PST by LaineyDee
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To: LaineyDee
The Constitution was not put together by a bunch of fundamentalist Christians. It was set down by people who wanted freedoms. Included in those freesoms were the separation of church and state. Jefferson was a deist. This is a quote from Jefferson taken from a Deist website:

"Because Deism is based on nature, and the laws of nature, it is a natural religion as opposed to revealed or man-made artificial religion."

I don't have to look up anything. I recently discovered that I could be considered a secular humanist.Formerly, I was not aware that there was a classification for the way I perceive things. Secular humanism varies, but basically, the thinking is as follows:

Belief in Deity
Not considered important. Most Humanists are atheists or agnostics.

• Incarnations
Same as above.

• Origin of Universe and Life
The scientific method is most respected as the means for revealing the mysteries of the origins of the universe and life.

• After Death
An afterlife or spiritual existence after death is not recognized.

• Why Evil?
No concept of “evil.” Reasons for wrongdoing are explored through scientific methods, e.g. through study of sociology, psychology, criminology.

• Salvation
No concept of afterlife or spiritual liberation or salvation. Realizing ones personal potential and working for the betterment of humanity through ethical consciousness and social works are considered paramount, but from a naturalistic rather than supernatural standpoint.

• Undeserved Suffering
No spiritual reasons but rather a matter of human vulnerability to misfortune, illness, and victimization.

There is no set of rules or laws written down to embrace. There is no organized "church." As I said, I only recently discovered that there was a name for the series of notions which I believe makes the most sense for me.

Spirituality is a major part of religious acceptance. I merely said I reject it.

Lastly, evolution is not any religion. Science doesn't "chuckle" at those who blindly cling to myths to explain phenomena - - it only wants to be left alone to analyze and collect data to support its queries. Queries...questions...skepticism...that is what science is involved in. Only creationists "chuckle" and want to indoctrinate those who disagree. I spent the major part of my life right through graduate school studying the mechanism of and evidence for evolution. The reason why there are still chimpanzees is a complex one, but for here, suffice it say that no organism, including humans in modern primitive societies, will change if there is no pressure exerted on them environmentally to do so. If you are interested, which I do not think you are judging by your need to "chuckle", then I can forward several articles which will explain it in detail.

And, by the way, don't be confused. I support my country because I live here and have benefitted from receiving an education here (private), because I don't have to worship, because I despise totalitarianism and repression other societies are subject to, because there is the right to choose abortion if my daughter or anyone close to me decides that is the right course, because our lifestyle here is precious enough to defend and lastly, because there is a separation of church and state so I can ask all the questions I need to without succumbing to dogma based on little else but faith.

20 posted on 01/28/2003 2:04:14 PM PST by stanz
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