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Jordan To Consider Requests To Extend Auspices Over Iraq
Haaretz Daily ^ | 01/26/03 | Daniel Boone

Posted on 01/27/2003 9:02:39 AM PST by Daniel Boone

http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=256691&contrassID=1&subContrassID=0&sbSubContrassID=0 (FAIR USE APPLICATION APPLIES) Jordan to consider request to extend auspices over Iraq

By Ora Coren, Ha'aretz Correspondent

DAVOS, Switzerland - Jordanian King Abdallah would favorably consider an American request to extend the auspices of the monarchy over Iraq for a temporary period after the expected U.S.-led attack on Saddam Hussein's regime, if the Americans ask, according to senior political sources participating in the World Ecnomic Forum in Davos, Switzerland.

According to the estimates of sources in Davos involved in preparations for the war in Iraq, the realistic scenario is that commanders of Iraqi forces will surrender shortly after the U.S.-led attack begins and will come to American military headquarters waving white flags.

The American government will select from among those commanders the leaders of the interim Iraqi government that will rule the country until a more permanent arrangement is found, the sources added.

After an interim period of 2-3 years, they said, if the temporary regime in Iraq asks from the Jordanian monarchy to extend its auspices over Iraq, King Abdallah would likely consider the request favorably. But Jordanian officials examining U.S. overtures on the matter made clear that Abdallah would need to carefully consider the repercussions such a move would have on Jordan's stability.

King Abdallah said Monday that only "a miricle" could prevent a war in Iraq."

The sources said that the widely held estimate in the international community is that Israel will try to stay outside the conflict with Iraq. But they believe that if Israel is attacked and its population is seriously harmed, there would probably be an Israeli military response.

According to sources, immediately following the war in Iraq, international pressure will resume on Israel and the Palestinian Authority to reach a stage of preparing for the creation of an independent Palestinian state and a final peace agreement within three years, in accordance with the "road map" proposed by the Quartet - the United States, United Nations, European Union and Russia.


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To: SunStar
King Abdullah's cousin was the original monarch of Iraq (killed and overthrown by Saddam Hussein in 1979.

King of Iraq was killed in revolution in 1958. Col. Qassem (sp?) came to power in that revolution.

41 posted on 01/27/2003 11:19:20 AM PST by aristeides
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To: FreeAtlanta
If Iraq is invaded from Kuwait, Jordan, and Turkey, it falls in days. Study the German invasion of Yugoslavia.
42 posted on 01/27/2003 11:23:05 AM PST by aristeides
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To: Starrgaizr
Absolutely not. We can't be forcing Western democracy upon Oriental culture. It will only back-fire in the long run. Abdullah's brand of democracy will be a good starting point. Then, as the middle class becomes more secure, a truer, freer brand of democracy can exist.
43 posted on 01/27/2003 11:25:23 AM PST by carton253
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To: aristeides
King of Iraq was killed in revolution in 1958. Col. Qassem (sp?) came to power in that revolution.

Thanks for clarifying the facts.

44 posted on 01/27/2003 11:27:03 AM PST by SunStar (Democrats Piss Me Off !!)
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To: xJones
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/829770/posts?page=10#10

National Geographic October Issue Includes Close-up of Beast/Sphinx Map of Middle East

See my FRpage for more.

45 posted on 01/27/2003 11:33:12 AM PST by Thinkin' Gal
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To: Thinkin' Gal
Thank you, there is a great deal to read and think about here.
46 posted on 01/27/2003 11:48:27 AM PST by xJones
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To: B-Chan
Britain, the UK and most of the former "colonies" would disagree... as in "God save the Queen (or King as the case may be).
There is nothing "passe" about a monarchy, as long as it has the features of a Constitutional, Democratic nation. (In such cases, the Monarchy acts more like OUR concept of a stable rebublic, than the 'vassals and surfs' of the dark ages.)

Pure democracies are socialist demons.
A monarchy is better than the "mob rule" of a pure democracy. Having said that, the arab version of "monarchy" needs to be "parliamentarized" somewhat to make it palatable to the West... and I suspect that is what the overall strategery of the middle east is all about.

Don't a lot of "demcratic" nations still have a sovereign?
They just don't have "totalitarian" power. The Queen can still dismiss parliament, and call new elections... but never does. She WOULD if there were an emergency. In such cases, the monarchy can be the "enforcer" and "failsafe" device for democratic and constitutional rule...

I don't think the age of monarchs is over.
47 posted on 01/27/2003 12:54:05 PM PST by Robert_Paulson2 (clintonsgotusbytheballs?)
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To: Robert_Paulson2
As a monarchist, obviously I agree.
48 posted on 01/27/2003 1:13:57 PM PST by B-Chan (THIRTY YEARS OF GENOCIDE: Roe v. Wade 1973-2003)
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To: aristeides
If Iraq is invaded from Kuwait, Jordan, and Turkey, it falls in days. Study the German invasion of Yugoslavia.

Yes, and Iraqi terrain is so much more conducive to invasion than Yugoslavian terrain.

Don't forget either that Alexander the Great invaded and conquered the Medo-Persians, and that the one supreme mark of his operations was blinding speed...what passed as blinding speed in that time, anyway.

HyperWar, anyone?

;-)

49 posted on 01/27/2003 1:31:59 PM PST by EternalVigilance (abort NARAL!)
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To: Daniel Boone; All
How does this help acheive the ultimate goal of a democratized middle east?
50 posted on 01/27/2003 3:23:13 PM PST by ellery
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To: Thinkin' Gal; xJones
How long? This was posted Jan. 2000...

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3880ebfe3b69.htm

GOTCHA! The Big One That Didn't Get Away
Robotic telescope captures visible light from a powerful gamma-ray burst

Jan 27, 1999: For the first time, scientists have witnessed the visible light emitted at the same time as a gamma-ray burst, a mysterious explosion in the far reaches of the universe…

…This particular burst had the power of nearly ten million billion suns, and the light grew so bright that anyone gazing at the night sky could have seen it using only a pair of binoculars. The chances were slim, however, that someone would be looking at that exact point in the sky at 4:47 a.m. EST, on Jan. 23. But thanks to the use of two satellites, a unique ground-based telescope, and the Internet, scientists around the world were able to pinpoint the location of the burst, and to monitor it from start to finish…

Feb 10, 1999: Two weeks ago one of the most powerful cosmic explosions ever recorded bathed the earth in gamma rays. The gamma-ray burst -- called GRB990123 -- was so intense that its visible light could have been seen through common binoculars. Since then the optical counterpart to GRB990123 has faded until it is 4 million times dimmer that it was during its peak…

…Never before have scientists been able to watch the visible light during a gamma-ray burst. Ever since the bursts were first discovered in 1967, scientists have been eager to gather more data about these elusive, cataclysmic explosions.

Now let's back up seven sevens, uh 49 years to January 23, 1950

January 23, 1950, The Israeli Knesset approved a resolution proclaiming Jerusalem the capital of Israel ...
http://www.nytimes.com/learning/general/onthisday/010123onthisday.html

Daniel 9
24 "Seventy `sevens´ are decreed for your people and your holy city to finish transgression, to put an end to sin, to atone for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the most holy.

25 "Know and understand this: From the issuing of the decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the Anointed One, the ruler, comes, there will be seven `sevens,´ and sixty-two `sevens.´ It will be rebuilt with streets and a trench, but in times of trouble.

26 After the sixty-two `sevens,´ the Anointed One will be cut off and will have nothing. The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come like a flood: War will continue until the end, and desolations have been decreed.

***

The Messiah after 62 'sevens', the ruler after seven 'sevens'.

Look at the location of the gamma ray burst!


Bootes (the Coming One)
This constellation still further develops this wondrous personage.
He is pictured as a man walking rapidly, with a spear in his right hand and a sickle in his left hand.
The Greeks called him Bo-o-tes, which is from the Hebrew root Bo (to come), meaning the coming. It is referred to in Psalm 96:13:
"For He cometh, For He cometh to judge the earth; He shall judge the world in righteousness, And the people with His truth."
It is probable that his ancient name was Arcturus * (as referred to in Job 9:9), for this is the name of the brightest star, a (in the left knee). Arcturus means He cometh. **

For more enlightenment go to…
http://philologos.org/__eb-tws/chap11.htm#bootes

Who stepped up to the plate January of 1999?

January 22, 1999 King Hussein drops heir
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/middle_east/newsid_260000/260875.stm

January 25, 1999 Hussein names son as heir
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/middle_east/newsid_262000/262604.stm

Febuary 7, 1999 Abdullah sworn in
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/middle%5Feast/newsid%5F274000/274302.stm

Feb 10, 1999: Yesterday astronomers released a new Hubble photograph of the gamma-ray burst's fading optical counterpart. The relic fireball appears to be embedded in a faint, irregular galaxy.
http://science.nasa.gov/newhome/headlines/ast10feb99_1.htm

The next question is "What causes gamma-ray bursts?"

Habakkuk 3
1 A prayer of Habakkuk the prophet.

2 LORD, I have heard of your fame; I stand in awe of your deeds, O LORD. Renew them in our day, in our time make them known; in wrath remember mercy.

3 God came from Teman, the Holy One from Mount Paran. His glory covered the heavens and his praise filled the earth.

4 His splendor was like the sunrise; rays flashed from his hand, where his power was hidden.

5 Plague went before him; pestilence followed his steps.

6 He stood, and shook the earth; he looked, and made the nations tremble. The ancient mountains crumbled and the age-old hills collapsed. His ways are eternal.

7 I saw the tents of Cushan in distress, the dwellings of Midian in anguish.

8 Were you angry with the rivers, O LORD? Was your wrath against the streams? Did you rage against the sea when you rode with your horses and your victorious chariots?

9 You uncovered your bow, you called for many arrows. You split the earth with rivers;

10 the mountains saw you and writhed. Torrents of water swept by; the deep roared and lifted its waves on high.

11 Sun and moon stood still in the heavens at the glint of your flying arrows, at the lightning of your flashing spear.

12 In wrath you strode through the earth and in anger you threshed the nations.

13 You came out to deliver your people, to save your anointed one. You crushed the leader of the land of wickedness, you stripped him from head to foot.

14 With his own spear you pierced his head when his warriors stormed out to scatter us, gloating as though about to devour the wretched who were in hiding.

15 You trampled the sea with your horses, churning the great waters.

16 I heard and my heart pounded, my lips quivered at the sound; decay crept into my bones, and my legs trembled. Yet I will wait patiently for the day of calamity to come on the nation invading us.

17 Though the fig tree does not bud and there are no grapes on the vines, though the olive crop fails and the fields produce no food, though there are no sheep in the pen and no cattle in the stalls,

18 yet I will rejoice in the LORD, I will be joyful in God my Savior.

19 The Sovereign LORD is my strength; he makes my feet like the feet of a deer, he enables me to go on the heights. For the director of music. On my stringed instruments.


War will continue, until the end...

51 posted on 01/27/2003 4:03:07 PM PST by Jeremiah Jr
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To: Thinkin' Gal
RE: your post #42, the Sphinx "Beast Map"

Oh my, now I see what you have been describing. This image only works if Jordan (the Head) is united with Iraq (the Body) !

"Surely some revelation is at hand;

Surely the Second Coming is at hand.

The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out

When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi

Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert

A shape with lion body and the head of a man,

A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,

Is moving its slow thighs, while all around it

Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds.

The darkness drops again; but now I know

That twenty centuries of stony sleep

Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,

And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,

Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?"

William Butler Yeats

52 posted on 01/27/2003 4:04:24 PM PST by happygrl (Be cheerful...it's what YOU owe to life.)
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To: Jeremiah Jr; Daniel Boone; xJones
See my post above to Thinkin' Gal.
53 posted on 01/27/2003 4:07:51 PM PST by happygrl (Be cheerful...it's what YOU owe to life.)
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To: weikel
See a discussion of the virtues of monarchy on this thread.

It appears that King Abdullah of Jordan will be asked to extend his provenance over Iraq after the regime change.

54 posted on 01/27/2003 4:11:18 PM PST by happygrl (Be cheerful...it's what YOU owe to life.)
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To: Jeremiah Jr; Daniel Boone; xJones
Thank you all for the information you've provided: xJones for the History, and Thinkin' Gal and Jeremiah Jr for the amazing scriptural references, astronomy and geography.
55 posted on 01/27/2003 4:33:55 PM PST by happygrl (Be cheerful...it's what YOU owe to life.)
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To: Daniel Boone
This is why there has been little talk about 'the day after'. If I answer no questions, I can tell you no lies. Rummy's answer is always 'I'll let them tell you what they are doing', works for me.
56 posted on 01/27/2003 4:44:30 PM PST by StriperSniper (Start heating the TAR, I'll go get the FEATHERS.)
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To: happygrl
Beware the rise of Abdullah.
57 posted on 01/27/2003 8:47:29 PM PST by Taiwan Bocks
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To: Fabozz
You are right. Most forget that there was a small news peice several months to a year ago about an air base in south eastern Jordan that was being set up by Americans. ostensibly for "Air Sea Rescue Operations". This was supposedly being done in conjunction with Turkey, Egypt, and Israel.
My bet is they have been flying predators out of there for months. I said in an earlier post to another article the this was just before the push by us to get the UN inspections started again. Well the Iraqi's moved their stuff and we were watching.
I believe that this base will show to have been critical to the coming war effort.
58 posted on 01/27/2003 9:02:14 PM PST by JSteff
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To: weikel
ping
59 posted on 01/27/2003 9:07:16 PM PST by Sparta (Statism is a mental illness)
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To: B-Chan
You wrote "It will be interesting to see how their neighbors respond -- Israel, Iran, and Egypt" and "Turkey's response"

Of those four countries 3 -Israel, Egypt, and Turkey are in a "joint agreement" with the U.S. for "Search and Rescue" purposes. They were all also mentioned in the article that anounced that alliance when talking of the building and use of a base in southern Jordan by the U.S.

I think this whole thing was long in the works. and well planned. I think there will be less surprises than might be thought and the "kurdish question" and others were addressed back then. Egypt will stay out of it all, only Iraq, and Syria, need be concerned and have questions.
60 posted on 01/27/2003 9:18:24 PM PST by JSteff
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