We should reject the theory that "the "individual right" argument does not hold any water in any court".
This is an incredible stance to take regardless of the rationalizations put forth.
We can still try to change the Ca constitution, without agreeing to an unconstitutional premise.
-tpaine-
Yes, we all know that the Second Amendment is an individual right, but until the California courts recognize that, or we force them to recognize it by amending the constitution, then this is what we're stuck with.
-mvpel
You agree that the Second Amendment is an individual right.
-- But claim that until the California courts recognize that, or we force them to recognize it by amending the Ca constitution.-
--- That we are stuck with their unconstituional gun laws. - And if we can't or don't win, we can move.
- OK. -- So be it.
--- On those terms, I submit we will never win. - Our opponents are not idiots. - Thanks for your imput.
Of course I agree that the Second Amendment is an individual right. But we
are stuck with their unconstitutional gun laws at the moment because it's
the courts that decide whether or not something is unconstitutional, not you or I, when it comes to the realm of state-sponsored force or the threat thereof to induce compliance with a given law.
And those courts, as I posted, do not recognize an individual right to even own firearms, much less carry them. If you carry, and get caught, your personal belief that the Second Amendment guarantees an individual right won't carry much weight before a California judge.
Realistically appraising the current situation in California doesn't mean we will never win. I don't really understand what you're trying to say here.
Two years ago, we gathered 650,000 signatures to put this amendment on the ballot. Thanks to the recent low turnout in the governor's race, we now only need about 580,000 signatures. We will put this on the ballot, and the polls indicate that we will pass it. Are you on the list yet?