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To: tpaine
Incredible reasoning.
~If~ the USSC uses some phony excuse to avoid slapping the 9th Circuit & ~if~ the amendment fails, then what?

Then, you have admitted that "California citizens have no right to own firearms."

You're exactly right, because under the law and case precedent as they stand right now, we don't have any right to "own or possess" firearms.

The politicians have free reign to pass any manner of gun ban and restriction that they like, from the statewide level right down to the towns with one stop light, and free reign to throw us in jail for violating them, and in absence of an individual rights ruling from the SCOTUS or the amendment, that is the prevailing state of affairs in California.

If the amendment fails, it will be a clear message to California gun owners that our political opponents would rather see us dead than defending ourselves with a firearm, and that it's time to pull up stakes and move to Nevada or Oregon.

42 posted on 01/27/2003 9:16:34 AM PST by mvpel
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To: mvpel
Incredible reasoning. ~If~ the USSC uses some phony excuse to avoid slapping the 9th Circuit & ~if~ the amendment fails, then what? Then, you have admitted that "California citizens have no right to own firearms."

You're exactly right, because under the law and case precedent as they stand right now, we don't have any right to "own or possess" firearms.

False. - We have the right to insist that our U.S. Constitutional RKBA's be enforced in Ca. -- to strike down these insane laws.

The politicians have free reign to pass any manner of gun ban and restriction that they like, from the statewide level right down to the towns with one stop light, and free reign to throw us in jail for violating them, and in absence of an individual rights ruling from the SCOTUS or the amendment, that is the prevailing state of affairs in California.

Wrong, - because apparently you think that our U.S. Constitution is not the "law of the land" in CA. It clearly is. Read Art. VI -

If the amendment fails, it will be a clear message to California gun owners that our political opponents would rather see us dead than defending ourselves with a firearm, and that it's time to pull up stakes and move to Nevada or Oregon.

Moving on is not an option to me. It just illustrates your incredible reasoning, imo, - that we are at the mercy of the "prevailing state of affairs". 'We the people', can force the feds & state to cave on these matters, not 'cave in' ourselves.

47 posted on 01/27/2003 11:43:06 AM PST by tpaine
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