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To: DugwayDuke
" I always find it strange when conservatives take the position that the BoR is binding on the states."

You mean that it is not? Not the 5th, nor the 1st? I beg to differ.
34 posted on 01/26/2003 8:07:41 PM PST by PatrioticAmerican (Let's all pay our fair share...make the poor pay taxes! They pay nothing!)
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To: PatrioticAmerican
" I always find it strange when conservatives take the position that the BoR is binding on the states."

You mean that it is not? Not the 5th, nor the 1st? I beg to differ.

What are the first five words of the First Amendment? I find much less argument for incorporating the First than the Second.

36 posted on 01/26/2003 8:34:25 PM PST by supercat (TAG--you're it!)
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To: PatrioticAmerican; FSPress; tpaine
Here's an interesting link for you. It says, in part:

"The Bill of Rights was understood, at its ratification, to be a bar on the actions of the federal government. Many people today find this to be an incredible fact. The fact is, prior to incorporation (14th amendment, 1868), discussed below, the Bill of Rights did not apply to the states. This is, however, quite in line with what the Constitution was originally designed to be: a framework for the federal government. In other words, though the federal government was banned from violating the freedom of the press, states were free to regulate the press. For the most part, this was not an issue, because the state constitutions all had bills of rights, and many of the rights protected by the states mirrored those in the federal Bill, and many went further than the federal Bill."

"Thus in the early 1960's, the Establishment Clause, the right to counsel, the rights of free speech, assembly, and petition, and the right against unreasonable searches and seizures were quickly incorporated. Since the early 60's, almost every clause in the Bill of Rights has been incorporated (notable exceptions are the 2nd and 3rd Amendments, the grand jury indictment clause of the 5th Amendment, and the 7th Amendment)."

Some have added the 9th to the list of exceptions. The 10th is a moot point regarding personal rights. Basically, the Bill of (personal) Rights are the first eight.

45 posted on 01/27/2003 5:51:46 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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