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To: Restorer
Read Hayek's "Raod to serfdom" and you would understand that national socialism (nazism) and intrenational socialism (communism) are twin ideologies.

I thoroughly reject the Communists' use of the term "Rightist" to refer to fascist ideology. Even the fascist Mussolini was a Socialist originally, who merely adapted socilistic ideals to a nationalist/Roman ideology ... THIS IS THE SAME THAT HITLER DID WITH ARYAN NATIONALISM AND THE BA"ATH WITH ARAB NATIONALISM.

So while I AGREE that Ba'ath ideology is quite fascistic, I place it on the Left with its kin of other Socialistic/Collectivist ideologies.

IF Hitler and the Nazi Party were alive today, I would call them LEFTISTS too. National Socialism is still Socialism. It is what they really were and are.
30 posted on 01/25/2003 12:17:18 PM PST by WOSG
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To: WOSG
IF Hitler and the Nazi Party were alive today, I would call them LEFTISTS too. National Socialism is still Socialism. It is what they really were and are.

Roger that ... Nazis were socialists.

32 posted on 01/25/2003 12:48:44 PM PST by copycat (Ridicule Hillary! to someone you know TODAY!!)
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To: WOSG
I'm not sure that left/right terminology is particularly useful when talking about fascism (or for that matter any other political movement).

For instance, in many countries "conservatives" are attempting to conserve traditional values of God, country, class, hierarchy, etc. OTOH, in America most conservatives are trying to conserve the Declaration of Independence values that are diametrically opposed to this.

International Socialism is theoretically at root an attempt by one group, the workers of the world, to take over society and dominate the world, remaking it as they seet fit.

National Socialism is the same thing, only with the group that's taking over composed of all members of one nation or "race." It divides people vertically rather than horizontally.

If the term socialism means anything at all, it is the takeover of the means of production by the working classes. Hitler indeed used this as a propaganda tool in his rise to power. Once in power, the true "national socialists" in his party became a problem for him, and he killed most of them. He never really implemented any truly "socialist" policies, being perfectly content to leave the capitalists in control of industry as long as they followed his orders.

Italian fascism was a weird amalgam which did indeed include elements of truly national socialism.

The Spanish, Portugese and most other "fascist" societies of the time were really traditionalist parties, but with newly risen thugs in power rather than the old aristocracy.
36 posted on 01/25/2003 2:15:23 PM PST by Restorer (TANSTAAFL)
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