[Deb]

I used term "deserter" for the people who ran to Canada to avoid the draft, before and after being notified. Not sure what they were officially called.

[muawiyah]

Until you took the oath you were not in the military. It is only after you are in the military that you are privileged to be called a deserter if you run off. Still, that's better than being a draft-dodger.

Jimmy Carter tried to ruin America - that was clearly his ambition. All he did was cause me to no longer trust anyone who had not been in the military with a real big exception for anyone who'd spent a day or more on a submarine. I trust them less than civilians.

Despite those feelings I still didn't appreciate military discipline and was very happy to be honorably discharged.