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Deport All Our Illegal Aliens?
Front Page Magazine ^ | 1/24/03 | Stephen Brown

Posted on 01/24/2003 1:06:56 AM PST by hoosierskypilot

There is a quaint fact that tends to be forgotten in discussions of immigration policy: the law is the law. The law says that some persons have a legal right to be in the United States and some do not. This law is not arbitrary: it was made by a legitimate, democratically elected government expressing the will of the American people. Therefore, it is high time to get serious about enforcing it by deporting all of our illegal aliens. Fortunately, this is not as hard as it looks, as we already deport some of them and merely need to apply the same programs to a greater number of people. Politically, it may be hard; logistically, it’s no big deal.

The raw numbers are staggering. The U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) estimates there are currently more than eight million illegal aliens living within our borders, with more than a million more expected to be here by the end of 2003. It’s not like the public is unaware of the problem. Successive polling in recent years has consistently shown a clear – and thus far unanswered – mandate from the American electorate for its elected officials to faithfully enforce the laws they are sworn to uphold by removing the swelling illegal population. But key constituencies inside the governing class – principally the cheap labor lobby on the Republican side and the ethnic lobbies on the Democratic side – have successfully frustrated American democracy and the rule of law on this point.

Under pressure and in fits and starts, the federal government has been making token gestures of deportation, which prove that something could be done if the political decision were ever made to get serious. Between 1995 and 1998, funding for removing illegal aliens more than doubled, resulting in a rise in deportations from 50,400 to 171,000. Early INS estimates for Fiscal 2002 deportations come in at 147,345.

But with a pool of eight million potential deportees, appreciable progress will only be achieved through a general deportation policy, i.e., the principle that every person whose illegal status becomes known gets deported. The key thing to understand is that this would not require, as opponents would have us believe, some kind of fascistic police state out of a B-grade movie. All it would require is that well-established, existing programs for deportation operate on greater numbers of people.

Fundamentally, the politics of deportation may be heated, but actual deportation is quite boring.

It’s not as though it hasn’t been done before. In 1954, during the Eisenhower Administration, INS Commissioner Gen. Joseph May Swing instituted a mass search-and-removal operation targeting illegal aliens from Mexico scattered throughout the Southwest and Midwest. It coordinated the efforts of the U.S. Border Patrol, municipal, county, state and local police forces, along with the military. The coordinated and strategic use of resources and manpower soon produced positive results. In Texas, the nation’s second-largest state, the government needed only around 700 men to do the job, netting approximately 4,800 deportees on its first day and 1,100 daily thereafter. Deportees were shipped back to Mexico via rail and ship, often deep into the interior of the country to discourage recidivism. When funding for the initiative ran out that fall, the INS claimed some 2.1 million removals, including those who voluntarily returned to Mexico before and during the operation. Following the 1954 effort, illegal immigration dwindled until the mid-1960s.

This is the real benefit of deportation: it discourages illegal immigration in the first place, reducing both the enforcement burden and the social problems that immigration causes. Once would-be immigration criminals realize they will only be deported, their numbers drop within a range that can easily be contained. Ironically enough, this means that a laxer immigration policy, not a stricter one, requires more manpower to enforce the tatters of law that remain, and costs more money to run. Once would-be illegals get the message, there will be a lot fewer of them.

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To: FITZ
I agree with all you said but I don't want to have to carry my government-issued ID at all times and be stopped for any reason to prove I can produce it

That won't be necessary.

61 posted on 01/24/2003 12:00:17 PM PST by traditionalist
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To: gubamyster
The Feds should revoke FDIC standing to any financial institution that takes the Mexican ID.

The next step for the banks that accept the matricula is to start extending loans to their customers, including mortgages. All this for people that the bank, because they've seen and accepted the matricula, knows do not have valid work authorization and could lose the work and income which secure the loan from one day to the next. The bank doesn't care if it goes bust because of this risky activity, the government is there to bail them out, after all.

62 posted on 01/24/2003 12:04:03 PM PST by Pa' fuera
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To: sarcasm
True - the entire immigration system needs to be reformed. My first proposal would be an age limit on immigrants unless they can prove that they will not be a burden on the system. I would think that most anyone who arrives after age 35 or so will turn out to be a net taker from the taxpayers.

That's the age when Mexicans become unemployable because of age discrimination in their home country. In Mexican newspapers, you see lots of classified ads for employment which state that the applicant must be from 20 to 35 years old. If they're older, they need to find fake ID to have a chance.

63 posted on 01/24/2003 12:15:42 PM PST by Pa' fuera
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To: raybbr
The other are just low-life leeches that are not threatened. Just allowed to live here sucking the blood of the American people.

The one thing that no one (not even Democrats) should be able to get past is that the illegals are jumping ahead of millions of people throughout the world who are trying to immigrate legally and who have respect for our institutions and rule of law. It speaks volumes about the Mexican people and the Mexican government that this does not bother them in the slightest.

64 posted on 01/24/2003 12:27:49 PM PST by Pa' fuera
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To: valkyrieanne
The laws need to be changed so that local law enforcement can pick up illegals & take them to federal offices, drop them off, and let the feds do the deportation. If Mexico doesn't like it, tough.

Even if the law changes, law enforcement will not do it, because they say it destroys their channels of communication with immigrant communities. That's why it is laughable that the INS wants to create a database of illegals with deportation orders in the hopes that local LEAs will help round them up and report them.

65 posted on 01/24/2003 12:31:07 PM PST by Pa' fuera
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To: Pa' fuera
Even if the law changes, law enforcement will not do it, because they say it destroys their channels of communication with immigrant communities.

This is such a bogus argument. I would like to see the number of crimes are committed by illegals compared to the number of crimes solved by tips from illegals. I doubt if that woman in NY raped by illegals, who had numerous arrests, but no deportations, cares about the police department’s “channels of communication.”

Those law enforcement agencies whose policy is not to coordinate with the INS are guilty of failing to uphold the law, aiding and abetting criminals and gross negligence.

66 posted on 01/24/2003 2:39:29 PM PST by gubamyster
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To: hoosierskypilot
Not to worry, it's no longer a question we need to worry about, Mexico is going to do the worrying for us...

[MEXICO TO HAVE VETO POLICY OVER OUR INS? WHAT ABOUT KNOW THYSELF GOVERNMENTS?]
http://www.vdare.com/awall/sre.htm
Castaneda Out, Derbez In - Mexican Meddling Continues
By Allan Wall

What does the resignation of Mexican Foreign Minister Jorge Castañeda bode for the National Question? What does his replacement as Chancellor of the Secretaría de Relaciones Exteriores (SRE) by Luis Ernesto Derbez portend for future immigration policy?

Does this changing of the guard mean more or less Mexican meddling in U.S. immigration policy? Or is it just the same game under new management?

Jorge Castañeda labored for two years for “the whole enchilada” - a comprehensive migratory accord giving Mexico effective veto power over U.S. immigration policy.

Ironically - and this is what confuses a lot of people - former Marxist Castañeda was seen in Mexico as a sell-out to the gringos, and was actually the most supportive of the U.S. in the immediate wake of the 9/11 bombing.

Contradictory? On the contrary, there was no contradiction in Castañeda’s ingenious strategy. The visionary foreign minister viewed a U.S. orientation in Mexican foreign policy as a small price to pay for Mexican control over U.S. immigration policy!

Why did Castañeda quit?

His combative approach ruffled feathers right and left. He’d had conflict with just about everybody, including fellow cabinet members and reportedly the president’s wife (not a good career move anywhere) and had even criticized Fox himself. But apparently, it was Castañeda’s disappointment over not having achieved the migratory accord that led him to resign. On January 15th, 2003, at the change of command ceremony at the SRE, Castañeda lamented that “...it particularly disappoints me not having taken advantage of the conceptual advances in...migration with the U.S....that would so benefit our two nations and all Mexicans...”

Don’t think for a moment that ex-chancellor Castañeda is finished critiquing U.S. immigration policy. A member of the celebrity elite academic/journalistic jet set, Castañeda has been telling Americans to open their border for years.

In a 1995 Atlantic Monthly article he wrote that “Some Americans....dislike immigration, but there is very little they can do about it.”

A week ago, January 14th, 2003, his last full day as Foreign Minister, Jorge was in New York City speaking at a Bill Clinton-hosted globalization conference, hobnobbing with George Soros and Slick Willie himself. He plans to give fall classes at New York University.

But, Castañeda is no longer Foreign Minister. He was replaced by Luis Ernesto Derbez. Who is Derbez?

Like his comrades in Fox’s cabinet, Derbez hails from Mexico’s white elite. For the past two years, Derbez has served as Secretary of the Economy, a position for which his education and experience were quite suitable. His résumé is rather impressive.

Derbez studied in the U.S.A., earning a Master’s at the University of Oregon and a doctorate in economics at Iowa State. Besides serving a 14 year stint at the World Bank, Derbez has been a consultant for the InterAmerican Development Bank.

He also has academic experience, having served as both a professor and administrator at the successful private Mexican university ITESM. (Full disclosure: I’ve done a little teaching for the same institution!) Derbez has been an administrator at the University of the Americas at Cholula, Mexico, and a visiting professor at Johns Hopkins’ School of International Studies.

Another claim to fame: Derbez is the uncle of famous Mexican TV comic Eugenio Derbez. Uncle Derbez and Nephew Derbez share a definite family resemblance.

What about immigration?

At the presentation ceremony of January 15th, 2003, when Derbez became Foreign Minister, the new chancellor commended successor Castañeda for influencing the United States to accept “the migratory issue as a matter of shared responsibility,” and promised to work toward "the objectives" established by President Fox.

The very next day (January 16th, 2003) Derbez explained that

“President Fox is the one who has dictated the program and the vision of Mexico in terms of its relation with the exterior, and President Fox is the one who will continue dictating it...I see no substantive difference between a Derbez chancellorship and the Castañeda chancellorship...the chancellorship is the chancellorship and the only thing that can be different is the style of the chancellor.”

His first full day as chancellor (January 16th, 2003) was rather busy, and Derbez gave several interviews. Comments gleaned from these interviews give us some valuable perspectives on his immigration views.

Derbez informed interviewer Jose Gutierrez that

“....the president of the Republic [Fox], since the beginning of his administration, has been worried about two fundamental things. One, the respect for the rights of our fellow citizens that are laboring, working in the United States...we have to continue this policy of support for them, of support for their rights, that they be valued and respected in the United States. And secondly, that a solution be sought to this process.... that leads to.... tranquility and legality for all our fellow citizens.”

In an interview with Joaquin Lopez-Doriga, Derbez discussed immigration, revealing a more flexible approach than that of Castañeda’s “whole enchilada”:

“The topic is still important, a priority for the Mexican agenda... I have been commissioned by the President with carrying it out, but maybe, with a new way of arriving to a solution... ....I am convinced that what we have to do now is seek other formulas, other ways, other realities ...if the whole enchilada is not possible, then we can divide it into small ‘enchiladitas’ ....and that for me is the central issue now, that is to find what size the enchiladitas can be to advance the process.”

Interviewed by Oscar Mario Beteta, Derbez said that...

“It is very evident to us the concern that we have as Mexicans, each and every one of us as Mexicans, that they respect the rights of our fellow citizens who are in the United States, so these matters will continue in the agenda. You know that we have....a petition before the International Court at The Hague, for ....the rights of Mexicans who are confined in American prisons under sentence of death. This will follow its course and we will also have to discuss it... all these matters that have been initiated will continue and we will bring them to their end. What are the possibilities of success or failure? Well, I am here working for Mexico, with the president of the Republic and under his instructions, and we will continue seeking the formula for a successful solution.”

On the night of the 15th (the day he became chancellor) Derbez was interviewed on Televisa’s prime-time news show by anchorman Joaquin Lopez-Doriga.

I once watched Lopez-Doriga conduct a real softball interview with Fidel Castro. This time though, the anchorman did a better job.

After Derbez’ affirmation of the priority of migration to President Fox, Lopez-Doriga posed an interesting question:

Lopez-Doriga: “...ex-[U.S.] ambassador Davidow...said that Mexico’s foreign policy towards the U.S. was suicidal because it put the migratory issue on a pedestal and it was going to run into a wall. Do you believe that it’s suicidal? Are you prepared to crash into a wall, do you think it is suicidal?”

Derbez: “It is suicidal if one who sees a wall throws himself forward and crashes into it...It is intelligent for he who faces a wall to do one of two things. He can turn around and leave. Or he can climb a ladder and cross to the other side. And that is the vision that we are going to propel.”

Lopez-Doriga : “So tell me, do you have a ladder?”

Derbez: I have several in case one of them fails me.”

Derbez’ reply is positively ingenious. And it’s really been the Mexican government’s strategy all along.

So Fox and company have failed to foist a “migratory accord” on the U.S.A.? So what! They are actively utilizing many other “ladders” to subvert U.S. law and sovereignty and gain control of our immigration policy.

The matricula consular, for example, is now accepted by hundreds of police departments and municipal governments. For all practical purposes, it legalizes illegal aliens in the U.S. So do driver’s licenses for illegal aliens. The multiplicity of Mexican consulates are quite adept in meddling in local American politics. Well-established Mexican journalists and entertainers in the U.S. are doing their part.

The Catholic hierarchy promotes open borders.

The Mexican government constantly agitates on behalf of condemned Mexican murderers.

International initiatives are utilized to advance the agenda - for example, the International Migratory Convention (a subject Derbez discussed with Kofi Annan on his first visit as chancellor to the UN).

There is a growing army of Mexican illegal aliens in the U.S., many of whom are not even very secretive about their legal status.

Why should they be? They’re hardly ever deported!

Then there’s The National Council for Mexican Communities Abroad.

And the increase in dual citizenship.

“Fox Contigo,” a weekly radio address by the Mexican president, is beamed to the United States.

For all these “ladders” to be successful requires plenty of American collaboration. And there is no lack: Hispanic pressure groups and blatant ethnic appeals to Hispanic voters, “multiculturalism,” lax voter registration, pandering politicians, the bilingual education lobby, agribusiness, the insane “anchor baby” policy, welfare for illegal aliens, the mainstream media....

“Ladders” indeed.

Dr. Derbez is not to be underestimated, my friends. Stay tuned for future developments...

American citizen Allan Wall lives in Mexico, but spends a total of about six weeks a year in the state of Texas, where he drills with the Texas Army National Guard. VDARE.COM articles are archived here; his FRONTPAGEMAG.COM articles are archived here. Readers can contact Allan Wall at allan39@prodigy.net.mx

67 posted on 01/27/2003 3:33:07 AM PST by JudgemAll
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To: FITZ
Gen. Swing’s roundup was good as a start. What we really need is to use the RICO laws to confiscate the businesses, homes, bank accounts, cars, etc. of everyone caught employing these criminals. We should also arrest them when they show up seeking any government service, including schooling and healthcare.

If they can’t get welfare and can’t work, they will not come. Plus it would stop those who harbor the criminals and illegally profit from the crimes.

We could stop the problem cold in months if we had real leaders again.
68 posted on 03/19/2003 4:57:57 PM PST by SUSSA
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To: hoosierskypilot
I claim 14th Amendment protection.

Anything I may do that they won't deport or punish an illegal for is fair game... Imo.

69 posted on 03/19/2003 5:00:23 PM PST by Jhoffa_ (Yes, there is sexual tension between Sammy & Frodo.)
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To: hoosierskypilot
If you aren't a US citizen start marching towards the dock. Time to take a slow boat back to the third world.
70 posted on 03/19/2003 5:02:56 PM PST by usmc_chris
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To: SUSSA
What we really need is to use the RICO laws to confiscate the businesses, homes, bank accounts, cars, etc. of everyone caught employing these criminals. We should also arrest them when they show up seeking any government service, including schooling and healthcare.

I'm against that first part ---for one you don't always know you're employing an illegal, you don't always know by looking who is and who isn't an illegal. The government can end Social Security number fraud ---a felony crime --and that would get rid of many who are taking good jobs that Americans would do. End welfare at least for immigrants (should just end it for everyone) gets rid of 34% of the Mexican immigrants who now live on welfare and those are the biggest chunk of the problem. If the self-sufficient non-criminal portion stay ---that really wouldn't bother me much.

71 posted on 03/19/2003 6:10:13 PM PST by FITZ
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To: FITZ
If the self-sufficient non-criminal portion stay ---that really wouldn't bother me much.
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There are no non-criminal illegal aliens. If they are not crimnials they are not illegal.

As to not knowing people are employing the criminals, when people go to parking lot and pick up people who don't speak english and wrok them all day for about $3.00 an hour cash, they know they are hiring criminals.

I say take their house, car, bank account, everything else you cann get. The next person will think twice about supporting these criminals. and
72 posted on 03/19/2003 6:16:36 PM PST by SUSSA
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To: SUSSA
I would say the majority do know ---but I don't want them trampling all over everyone's rights to get at the few who aren't the main problem. Like I said ---end welfare to them and that gets rid of 34%, end Social Security fraud and that gets rid of probably double that. There wouldn't be that many left.
73 posted on 03/19/2003 6:20:30 PM PST by FITZ
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