[George W. Bush]

One can only imagine the grief of the helpless ordinary Methodists who see their church being hijacked to primarily become a vehicle of sodomy rights. But their clergy talks out of both sides of their mouths. It's clear the direction in which the clergy is trying to take the Methodist churches, essentially moving toward Creech's position all the while denying that they're doing any such thing. It's a classic apostasy story within Protestantism. I expect that in another 5-10 years, only the Free Methodists and Nazarenes will be Wesley's standard bearers. The UMC will have abandoned it.

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GW, I am United Methodist clergy and the truth is that the conservative, evangelical side has won every General Conference battle in the last 28 years on the subject of homosexuality and most other things.

The problem is that our meetings happen only once every 4 years and that entrenched people in the UPPER hierarchy are extremely difficult to dislodge.

My personal hope is for a split. Prof. Tom Oden has recently penned a brilliant piece that can be found on the Good News website that demonstrates our property belongs to those who uphold our traditional, CONSTITUTIONAL Articles of Religion and NOT to those who are in leadership.

The same argument was presented in a number of test cases and has so far been victorious in civil law interpretations.

The split is coming because the heretics know their days are numbered.