FUROR ERUPTS OVER U.N. 'PERVY' PROBER (RITTER)

New York Post ^ | 1/22/03 | MARSHA KRANES, ADAM MILLER and FREDRIC U. DICKER

[Dark Knight]

>>No... The state is always the secondary victim in EVERY crime...<<

There is no primary victim. The state cannot be secondary.

DK

[sweetliberty]

Doesn't intent play into the equation legally?

[Dark Knight]

Of course intent is important. I disagree with a few persons here on that point. Some with debating style and some that don't know what they feel. In order to attempt a crime, you have to make a substantial step toward committing it. Hookers are often mentioned and it is an easy crime. If you do sex for money, it is a crime.

John format. Police lady with appropriate outfit, hangs around street corner and talks to cruising guys. If the guy talks about a particular act, and offers to pay...bingo, lights in your eyes and then a guy says out of the car.

Hooker format. Jane Doe contacts Joe Policeman in his unmarked car. She says "Hey baby, how about a date?" He says "Well, how much?" She says, "You have to say that you have never worked for and are not working now for a police department!" He says "Not me, baby," knowing that he can lie about that until the cows come home. She says "Okay, around the world will be fifty." If and only if, he can enumerate that around the world is a specific sex act, and fifty is a price, he can arrest her for prostitution.

Scott Ritter, from all accounts, had the intent but had no victim. How can you make a substantial step to committing the crime, if the underage person (14 or 16) you contact is 21+ years old?

I keep getting mostly emotional responses from people. I know their emotions are valid but not useful in convicting these pathetic creatures.

DK

[Dark Knight]

Of course intent is important. I disagree with a few persons here on that point. Some with debating style and some that don't know what they feel. In order to attempt a crime, you have to make a substantial step toward committing it. Hookers are often mentioned and it is an easy crime. If you do sex for money, it is a crime.

John format. Police lady with appropriate outfit, hangs around street corner and talks to cruising guys. If the guy talks about a particular act, and offers to pay...bingo, lights in your eyes and then a guy says out of the car.

Hooker format. Jane Doe contacts Joe Policeman in his unmarked car. She says "Hey baby, how about a date?" He says "Well, how much?" She says, "You have to say that you have never worked for and are not working now for a police department!" He says "Not me, baby," knowing that he can lie about that until the cows come home. She says "Okay, around the world will be fifty." If and only if, he can enumerate that around the world is a specific sex act, and fifty is a price, he can arrest her for prostitution.

Scott Ritter, from all accounts, had the intent but had no victim. How can you make a substantial step to committing the crime, if the underage person (14 or 16) you contact is 21+ years old?

I keep getting mostly emotional responses from people. I know their emotions are valid but not useful in convicting these pathetic creatures.

DK

[sweetliberty]

It seems to me that the charge was related to the intent and not to the actual act. Had it been related to an actual act with an actual underage victim, I believe it would have been a felony. In any event, when it comes to internet predators, the intent reveals an awful lot. Perhaps he has actually committed the crime at some point and just hasn't been caught yet. People who do this sort of thing don't tend to do it just once or twice.

[Spunky]

Ritter, the 41-year-old father of young twin daughters,

Sickos like Scotty Scuddy Ritter Rooter don't just stop with strangers.

[Dark Knight]

Sorry,
I wish a double post would cement the logic, but it was just a mistake. I wish people here were more willing to admit mistakes, but that is another issue.

DK

[CharacterCounts]

Scott Ritter, from all accounts, had the intent but had no victim.

Having an individual as a victim is not a necessary requirement for many crimes. In your John - Prostitute example, there is no victim but both have broken the law. Another example would be reckless driving. There may well be no victim but a crime has been committed. I could mention numerous other crimes where society in general is considered the victim.

[Dark Knight]

Remember, this crime specifies the age of a victim. Not a reckless disregard, but the victim will be under a particular age. This is a crime where the victim's age is a determining factor of guilt or innocence. Scott Ritter's ultimate crime if he did it publically would be lewd conduct.


No, I would not want to shake his hand after his arrest, but have you been reading the previous threads?

If someone complained to me about a reckless driver, and the report was bogus, would you want me to arrest the suspect? If there is no victim, the government has a higher responsiblity to show a crime has been committed. Reckless driving has been decriminalized in my jurisdiction. It's not criminal. You would be shocked to find out what is not criminal now.

In my state, a sixteen year old, can look for a lover or what ever you want to call a weenie wagger, and it is not a criminal offense. He could be eighty and have every belief you despise, but you would be on the wrong side of the law if you used more that words to interfere.

Is that a clue to where we are decadent?

Dk


Do you get a feeling of how I feel on these matters?

[marajade]

Have you ever seen any LE arrest reports? Usually the victim as number one is listed as a person; the number two victim is always listed as the state...

[marajade]

Not lewd contact but incident exposure...

Do you have any personal knowledge in relation to law enforcement?

There are crimes where the state is the ONLY victim...

[chilepepper]

Now we know WHY he is Baghdad's patsy: they are blackmailing him and must have some incriminating videos of him and young girls...

[Monty22]

In an ideal world, this creep would be beaten off any stage he goes on with a hail of tomatoes and dead cats.. Then he'd be tarred and feathered and tossed out of the country.

[Joan912]

You are right on. I was reading anti-war.com stuff on a daily basis about two years ago. I found myself 1) feeling depressed, 2) wondering what, if anything Raimondo likes or appreciates about the US, 3) getting really sick and tired of his constant Israel-bashing and conservative bad-mouthing. I decided to end the romance; I could not handle the constant petulance and negativity. For God's sake Justin, the US is not responsible for all of the problems on this earth! Get a grip already!

[Marysecretary]

Now, you didn't REALLY expect an answer from Phil baby did you, Catspaw? He's on Scott's team! These people stick together like glue to paper. I hope his wife told Scott to get off her lawn! He needs help, big time.

[Catspaw]

Now, you didn't REALLY expect an answer from Phil baby did you, Catspaw? He's on Scott's team!

No, I didn't expect an answer from Phil. What I wanted to do was put him on notice that WE KNOW.

[Marysecretary]

GOOD! Thanks.

[Dark Knight]

A voluntary viewer is not indecent exposure.

Of course there are crimes where the state is the only victim. And usually those victimless crimes are the ones that help people disrespect law enforcement. If you could name a few where the state is the only victim, I would be thankful. Remember, if I don't pay my taxes, others have to pay my share. If I speed or do other things on road that are bad, traffic can be impeded. Kiddie porn, the kids. If a man beats his wife, child or dog, even if the victim does not complain, there is still a victim. Insider trading, lack of a free market. A guy, with a person over the age of consent(in my state) offering to show off to a sixteen year old girl. My state has said it has no interest. Is the guy pathetic, possible going off the deep end, would I introduce him to dear old dad? Sure. But I would ask you to refrain from mentioning dope, because we will be inundated with both sides of the WOD.

But in any case I wish you luck, because I think everyone here knows that Scotty Ritter fully intends to make the world aware of his prediliction, and will be either laughed out, or shouted out of any place he shows his sorry ass. Excuse the French.

DK